Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

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MH
some are choosing to replicate with out seeing Chris's test protocol or procedures for  making proper measurement.


If you think for one instant that there are not a room full of people that could not Jump in at OUR and make posts like the above ...
you are sorely mistaken...


We shall see where this goes ,thank you and @All for the  contributions.


this Model being presented here is a very good path,  a valid investigation of a claim
with some testing and vetting by qualified individuals !


whats not to like ??


there is another very interesting one in the works...


respectfully
Chet

[MileHigh]

I found a North American mains power distribution diagram that I am posting here since everybody is concerned about grounds.

Note there is a kind of "uneasy" relationship between the third-prong ground and the neutral line.  The thing to remember about the neutral line is that there still can be considerable voltage on it because multiple neutrals may have a considerable amount of current flowing through them.

For Conrad, I think that you used the term "mains-ground" for what your scope and signal generator BNC grounds were connected to.  I will assume that that is equivalent to what myself and TK have been calling the third-prong ground.  I note that the types of home power plugs and socket systems used in various European countries are safer and superior to what we have in North America.

TK you mentioned lifting the third prong to isolate the signal generator.  Call it superstition, but I still get "queasy" because of the "uneasy" relationship between the third-prong ground and the neutral line.  With a lot of activity on a given breaker circuit I wonder if a signal generator with a cut third-prong might still "flutter" in potential a bit.  I am no expert here but you know the whole big deal with milking cows and "tingle voltage?"

TK, another thing to mention is going back to the scope and the input amps.  You schematic was incomplete but I don't need to see it.   Again, just consider this:  The inputs sense voltage relative to the BNC ground, which we know is normally connected to the third-prong ground.  The input amplifiers of the scope have to be powered by some kind of DC voltage that is relative to the BNC ground.  However, the main guts of the scope are powered by neutral-hot.  Therefore, there must be an isolation transformer inside the scope that goes from [neutral - hot] to [BNC ground - (DC power supply out)] to power the input amps.  Does that make sense?

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Chet:

I think you are putting words in my mouth and your prose is often cryptic.  You seem to have an issue with what I said but I am not sure what it is.  I really don't know how to respond.

One thing, I am not aware of any Chris test protocol (and I mean how you set up a circuit and how you measure with your scope), nor can I seem to recall anyone reporting power-in and power-out but I assume it will happen soon.  I am fully aware that there are some very very qualified people on OUR.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

@MH: Yes of course it makes sense and it is obvious how that isolation/connection happens when you look at the complete schematic for the scope's power supplies. You can easily look them up yourself so I won't post another image.

The connection between the "Ground prong" and the line neutral _inside the house wiring_ is exactly why you do NOT want the "ground" connected to line neutral inside the instrument! Or the instrument's line neutral connected to the chassis. You pointed out the dangers of this in an earlier post, and the house wiring diagram should make it clear. The Ground wire connects to the line neutral at the distribution panel inside the house. If there is a wiring glitch, somebody mistakenly connected White and Black wires wrong to an outlet ... (White is neutral, Black is Death, instead of the electronics convention where Black is usually Ground....) well, you can imagine what can happen.


the "flutter" from lifting the ground prong is why I suggested that the FG be lifted, not the scope. The scope is a precision measuring instrument and is sensitive to bad stuff on the supply line, whereas the FG is a DC-instrument, modern ones are logic-controlled, and will be less sensitive, I think, to input voltage "flutter". If you want to see true nonsense on a supply line, look at the output of a cheap inverter or UPS some time... true sinusoidal output inverters and uninterruptible power supplies are rare and expensive.

[MileHigh]

TK:

I know the "first generation" of home inverters (80s?) just output a square wave.

But for me and I presume for you too, some nice big fat fist-and-a-half sized true isolation transformers would be the way to go.  Much better than cutting the third prong.

Okay one final post coming up with a graphic to give Conrad and others some guidelines for "low stress" measurements dealing with the ground business and all that crap.

MileHigh