Open Systems

[tinman]

   If you have given up on your preposterous claims then just say so.

I have not given up on anything Mark-->but i feel as though you should maybe try again with your calculations of the energy supplied by the battery and the heat energy conversion(and it's reasons for being produced)being disipated within the circuit. This time,try to include resistive heating along with your phase change heating,and also add to that the heat from the chemical reactions taking place within the battery it self,as the battery will indeed produce heat.

The corollary is that if the pressure were reduced below 1 ATM that you would be stuck destroying energy.

Now is your chance at redemption Mark-->please show us all where the pressure is reduced below 1 ATM within my setup. This is one of those unjustified and incorrect quotes that you often make throughout threads-->this is what people are talking about when they say you are misinterpreting there statements,and adding faulse claims-->things they never said.

LOL Dude, you are the one who claims that by adding a pneumatic ram and letting pressure build up that you can get work for free.

That is the beauty of useing HHO,regardless of wether the pressure is reduced when increasing the size of the storage medium,or is maintained at current pressure with current size storage tank,the energy stored in that HHO gas dose not change.So if we have say a 20 ltr tank,and that is full of HHO with a gage pressure of say 100psi-we would have X amount of energy stored within that HHO gas. Now,if we could expand the size of the tank (without losing any of the stored gas) to say a 30 ltr capacity,our gas pressure would drop,but we would still have the same amount of gas,and the same amount of energy stored within that gas. Feel free to jump on google,and try and find something that can disprove this.

Once you have learned how to account and calculate for all energies,and what gives rise to those energies within my system,please feel free to come back and have another look. But for the time being,it is clear that you are set in your way's,and the stated laws must remain-regardless of wether or not they do. You are a man with a closed mind,and this has become very transparant in  this and other threads. Your failure to account for simple things like resistive heating and stored energies in a given amount of gas under different pressures is a sign that your eyes are wide shut-->the laws of physics must stand no matter what-is the attitude you seem to have. This is simply not acceptable in an enviroment such as this forum.

How about you do the testing Mark,and prove i am wrong,as we went by the very laws you praise,and now that i show an extra energy output which is not additive to the supplied energy to the system,you make a back peddle,and start reaching for the stars. The beauty of these forums is that people can go back and read all that was writen. They can go back and see that you agreed with each step(including the storage of gas under pressure (which is on the magnet myths and misconceptions thread),until i showed the extra energy output. Then you went serching for explanations(although incorrect ones)that could explain away what i have shown. But then you started to make mistakes in your calculation,and then started the misdirection's by way of stateing things that are not apparent in my setup-eg,we reduce the amount of gas because we reduced the pressure in the storage tank,and thus reduce the stored energy within that gas. But as we know,we never reduced the amount of gas at all,we simply increased the size of the storage tank.

[tinman]

No no no mark E.the environmental heat flow is in contradiction to our gas compression/decompression cycle.it is a gain not a loss

These are just some of the things Mark has missed profitis. I suspect there may have been a few other concepts that have been passed on by because of misdirection given in there opperation.

[pomodoro]

Start using some engineering calcs guys, talking can only take you so far.  The refrigerator cycle not being able to produce useful work was shown to me that way. I kept thinking that 1kw makes 5kw, then use the 5kw to power the 1kw motor. Even with massive losses it could still work! But alas, it was show that it can't.

[profitis]

Calculations pomodoro: E= RT/nf ln P .whats gona happen to the E if the T goes down a good few kelvin while the p goes up. Whats gona happen if the T goes up while the p comes down.this equasion is clearly fighting with itself in this case.

[pomodoro]

I was referring to the complete electrolysis ,combustion process.