Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment

[TinselKoala]

@TinselKoala

Quote from TK "Taisnierus' device, which is the magnet ramp and ball reduced to the simplest parts."

"the magnet ramp and ball"

Sure there is a magnet, a ramp, and a ball,  but no cylinder, and it's not the same concept.

I'm doubting that you actually even studied and or understood what I posted before you dismissed it.

Honestly, have you?

The "Taisnierus"  device is related but hardly relevant.

Please don't try to argue it's relevance, just say oops sorry and let's move on.

                         best wishes
                                   floor

It is certainly related and certainly relevant, and the same principles are at play: The moving part (in any geometry) is supposed to be pulled up a ramp by magnets, located wherever. The device fails _as you have noted yourself_ because the moving part can't make it past the potential well in order to fall back down and around to the entrance of the ramp or to another ramp. This is the basic SMOT design which has been discussed in thread after thread here and in many other places in all its variants. Elecar claimed to have solved the problem but of course did not, and he even resorted to making a FAKE video showing a looping system that didn't actually work.  You are the one who needs to say "oops" and move on, because it's pretty clear that you haven't done your homework on this one. There is no arrangement of magnets, ramps, moving objects that will do what you want it to do, which is to self-loop or reset itself without input of external energy. None! And thousands upon thousands of experiments by many many people ever since Taisnierus have tried to make it work and have not been able to do so.

And of course I "studied" and understood your documents, which show a simple SMOT that has been constructed in various forms for many years. There is even a WIKI page on the original "SMOT" which wasn't even original when Greg Watson "invented" it in 1985.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy

[TinselKoala]

There was also this crackpot idea about "flying vehicles". Ever since the foolish ideas of a "Leonardo Da Vinci", men tried to "fly" for centuries, many have tried, but after several hundred years of failure, mankind eventually gave up. Thank god, otherwise we'd have "flying vehicles" all over.


However, Floor, one thing is for sure: it's not an easy thing to construct.


BR

Birds, Dieter. Birds were heavier-than-air and were flying around long before Leonardo. Your "crackpot idea" is a strawman and a false analogy.

Where is the example from nature of anything like a SMOT? Nowhere, that's where.

[Floor]

Quote from TK -- "And thousands upon thousands of experiments by
many many people ever since Taisnierus have tried to make it work and
have not been able to do so. "

It's good to make this clear I think.

Quote from MarkE "When you manage that minor detail of returning the
ball to its starting position without expending external energy, do let us know."

I'll let you know for sure.
Whatever results may come from the experiments they will be clearly and
honestly posted here.

[Floor]

Mag Ramp 7b     Notes amended and re posted.

[Floor]

@Pirate88179

Correctamundo

Convention says that with out the help of mister hand
and even if I could negate friction, Iwill find that the cylinder
either gets stuck on a magnet or stuck at the bottom of a ramp.
           
                     cheers
                         floor