-----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.

[Pirate88179]

There is not enough time for all of that. But I'll cover this issue at this moment.


If you had ever taken the time to learn enough about ICEs, you would have left out the word "mainly".


WTF is "valve knocking"? "valve knocking"?? I first began to learn about ICEs in the stereotypical American way of being a car fanatic in the '50s when I was a teenager. To this day, I have never heard anybody (that knows what they are talking about)  say "valve knock". Valves don't "knock", they clatter when their clearance to the rocker arm is wrong. Valve clatter has absolutely nothing to do with combustion chamber temperature or anything related to it, that water injection has anything to do with.


Valves don't knock no matter what the compression and timing are.


I'm proud of you. You got a correct guess here.


In your obvious gross ignorance you have neglected to write of the most notorious benefits; cooling the valve heads so they don't snap off of their stems, and, cooling the piston tops so they don't get a hole melted through them. 

Depending on the particular circumstances, the combustion chamber temperature can range from maybe 700 F. to well over 1,000 F.  Long ago and far away I was performing a science experiment in which I drove my 59 Chrysler 300E  at 110MPH and then punched it. 120 in what seemed like no time flat. Then I noticed the temp gauge was going down. A blown out freeze plug. Looking under the hood showed the stock cast iron exhaust manifolds glowing red hot. (It was about 10 in the evening). Tell me, Sherlock, the temp. of red hot iron.

In WW2 fighter aircraft water injection was used to COOL the engine parts to avoid melting and related destruction during use of WEP especially during dire emergencies in dogfights, but also to enable quicker take offs at higher power when bombed up.


You should be SURE. You SURE write boldly about winning IQ contests, for an amateur who doesn't even know enough basic chemistry to KNOW for certain that their is no way that water injection water can possibility be spoken of as BURNING in an ICE. 




Bill, you obviously don't know your shine from your Shitola, but you DO have guts.




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Well, you have once again proven that you know nothing about the subject being discussed here.  Valve knock, valve clatter...what planet are you from?  This is caused by pre-ignition of the fuel in the combustion chamber which IS affected by octane of the fuel (flash point) and valve timing.

Go read a few books on gasoline engines and get back to me. 

Better yet, just get lost as your ignorance is embarrassing you beyond belief here.

Bill

What was wrong with your car that it went so slow?  My Plymouth would easily top 150.  Of course, it had 500 HP.  You must have been driving your Grandmother's car.

[CANGAS]

Bill
Water cannot be burned full stop-regardless of what it may go through. Having to burn something in order for it to be classed as a fuel is incorrect. Fuel is a substance that produces a force/and or energy. As we cannot create energy,then the energy already existed in the fuel,so only a transformation takes place. Water to steam is such a transformation,but the steam is still water,just small particles.

Here is the experiment i started out with some 3 years ago to get to where i am today.This is one anyone can carry out that has some sort of mechanical skills.For this we will use an !off the shelf! catalyst,and an !off the shelf! generator of your liking--> i used a 1200 watt generator with a 4 stroke IEC.

First you pick a load that will be constant throughout the testing-->i used a 500 watt flood light,and had an AC volt meter across that light to make sure the voltage remains constant. A pre run of the generator to get it up to running teperature is also a good idea.

Test 1-You place 1/2 ltr of standard fuel into the tank(i swapped the original tank out for a 1 ltr tank.
Then run the generator with load until the fuel has been used,recording the teperature of the engine during the run,and the voltage across the load. The voltage should remain constant,as the generator is governed to run at a fixed RPM. Record run time,and engine temp.

Test 2.
Now you will need to run the generator with a catalyst mixed in with the fuel at a 4:1 ratio,but maintain the total liquid amount at 1/2 ltr. So for this test i used 400ml of gasoline,and 100ml of metholated spirits-->as it mixes both with gasoline and water. You then run test 1 again,and record run time and engine teperature.

Test 3
You now mix your fuel(the 4:1 gasoline/metho mix),BUT you add 100 ml of water to the metholated spirits first-->before adding it to the gasoline. You then run your test again,recording run time and engine teperature. The voltage across the load will remain the same due to the engine speed being governed-->but keep an eye on it anyway.

My results of that test as recoreded in my log's.

Test 1
Run time-27 minutes,38 seconds-->engine full stop.
Engine temperature at cylinder-142*C
Load 500 watts.

Test 2
Run time-25 minutes,22 seconds-->engine full stop
Engine temperature at cylinder-138*C
Load 500 watts

Test 3

Run time-36 minutes,42 second's-->engine full stop.
Load 500 watts
Engine temperature at cylinder-144*C

So from this we ask-->where did the energy come from to gain a longer run time,and a higher engine teperature?.

Where did it come from? The hypothesis is not original from me, but, I have read : the water injection droplets, or, micro-droplets provide a surface upon which gasoline/methanol/whatever fuel condenses, thus providing a greater area for contact with oxygen molecules and the contact with the flame-front, therefore enabling faster and more complete ignition.

It is not really an apparition of mysterious new energy, but, rather, less energy is wasted than in the normal combustion. Less fuel is left unburned, and, ignition timing can be raised to a more efficient point, less advanced,  nearer TDC.. 

The stereotypical piston engine ICE is phenomenally inefficient. Raising the efficiency of one to over 50% will look like a miracle. Such a technology, fully developed, reliable and repeatable, could be a boon marketed to the ICE industry and consumers.


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[tinman]

Where did it come from? The hypothesis is not original from me, but, I have read : the water injection droplets, or, micro-droplets provide a surface upon which gasoline/methanol/whatever fuel condenses, thus providing a greater area for contact with oxygen molecules and the contact with the flame-front, therefore enabling faster and more complete ignition.

It is not really an apparition of mysterious new energy, but, rather, less energy is wasted than in the normal combustion. Less fuel is left unburned, and, ignition timing can be raised to a more efficient point, less advanced,  nearer TDC.. 

The stereotypical piston engine ICE is phenomenally inefficient. Raising the efficiency of one to over 50% will look like a miracle. Such a technology, fully developed, reliable and repeatable, could be a boon marketed to the ICE industry and consumers.


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The ICE is close to 100% efficient at converting fuel into energy when heat is taken into account- minus the small loss in unburnt fuel that is emmited from the exaust.

Ralph Sarich's orbital engine exceeded 57% efficiency at converting fuel energy into mechanical energy. As i live close to where Sarich lived,i got to follow and see this engine run myself. It had a sound much like high performance motor cycle engine,and was quite small for the claimed power output. But like most things that would cost the big oil money,it was sold of in bit's and pieces to other companies around the world. The complete engine was never manufactured--> the big dollars won out in the end.

[CANGAS]

Well, you have once again proven that you know nothing about the subject being discussed here.  Valve knock, valve clatter...what planet are you from?  This is caused by pre-ignition of the fuel in the combustion chamber which IS affected by octane of the fuel (flash point) and valve timing.

Go read a few books on gasoline engines and get back to me. 

Better yet, just get lost as your ignorance is embarrassing you beyond belief here.

Bill

Biily, every word you post makes your general ignorance become more obvious.

In my 72 years I have read a damn lot of books about ICEs. And I have had a damn lot of actual hands-on experience with them.

Get back to you? As far as I'm concerned you can go to Hell in a basket, and I am not planning to make any charity visits.

Me get embarrassed by a punk like YOU?? Make me laugh. I've been insulted by real experts. You're an amateur.

What was wrong with your car that it went so slow?  My Plymouth would easily top 150.  Of course, it had 500 HP.  You must have been driving your Grandmother's car.

The fastest I ever drove that Chrysler was 135 with the pedal about halfway down. The handling was getting a little spooky and I had no motive to press my luck. It was in July and I had the AC on. Before I bored and stroked the 413 out to 512. My Chrysler would have chewed up your Punyouth and spit it out.

You have just about, now, proved yourself to be a poser, a 56 year old man with a mental age somewhat less than that. Your boasts about yo cah are what I would heard from my car buddies back in the 60s, giving you a mental age of 18 or 20.


One to beam up, Scotty
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[Pirate88179]

Your boasts about yo cah are what I would heard from my car buddies back in the 60s, giving you a mental age of 18 or 20.


One to beam up, Scotty
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You were the one boasting about your Grandmother's car...I hope you fixed that broken gas pedal that only went half-way to the floor.  Of course, that would take some skills which it is obvious that you do not have.

By the way...what is a yo cah?  You must be from NY.  Ignorant and illiterate is no way to go through life...I suggest you try to learn something.

Even Tinman showed you that you were wrong about what you thought you knew.

Give it up, your ignorance is still embarrassing you.

Bill