Magnetic Engine Video

[Low-Q]

Mr.Vidar,


Please don't spoil your 3D printer.  Here is a simple method to verify it. Please see the attachment.

I have looked at your drawing. Something seems not right in your equation.
Shield weight is mechanically coupled with the pendulum, and will only cause the pendulum to
change/lower frequency and possibly amplitude due to inertia in the shield mass,
because the linear movement of the shield is not sinusodial and not depending on resonance.
In your drawing, the shield does not need weight at all (Except the weight in the shield itself).
Movement of this shield could likely go horizontally.
Inertia caused by the shields mass will play a roll in both cases and restrict the pendulum to fluctuate.
The larger the ratio [shield mass / pendulum mass] is, the less fluctuation because the linear motion
of the shield will tap the reactive energy in the pendulum sooner and force it to stop sooner.


Maybe a shield made as a pendulum as well would solve that particular problem. Because then you are left with only reactive energy which doesn't restrict movement of the shield - nor the "main" pendulum. Possibly only valid if both pendulums have equal distance from the hub to the weight (Equal resonance frequency). A coupling of two gears at each pendulums hub will force those to sync, with a fluctuation that is opposite of each other.


When you put magnetism in place, you apply forces that will change the pendulums behaviour. Magnetic forces that changes during fluctuation will mutually between the different parts, correspond perfectly and balance each other out.


I can't see any possible reason why any type of design will cause over unity. But I hope you have an idea how to minimize all possible losses.


Something like this (Just balance the shield pendulum - not drawn in here):

[TinselKoala]

If you think eddy current damping in the shield is insignificant because the shield is moving "slowly"... I can only reply that you must not have much experience in such matters.
Take a look at any cheap Ohaus or other brand triple-beam or trip balance. You will find that their eddy-current damper assemblies are quite effective in damping out the pendulum swings of the balance mechanism, even though the period of those swings is on the order of seconds. Without the dampers the balances would go on swinging for many cycles, and with the dampers they stop after one or two cycles. It is a _significant_ energy loss mechanism and will be the same for any design using "magnetic shields" even if the shields are moving relatively slowly.

If you think your hand can detect the forces and changes involved, I can only repeat that you must not have much experience in such matters. Many people have been fooled by thinking that their hand motion isn't providing significant energy to their magnet motor systems; SMOTs, Minato motors, the Steorn all-magnet Orbo, etc etc are illustrations of this phenomenon. Not many people have actually _measured_ the energy required to turn a hand-powered SMOT into one that could self-sustain... but I have. It is a tiny fraction of a Joule, and there is simply no way that you can detect this tiny amount of energy with a crude setup powered by Mister Hand.

[Pirate88179]

TK:

I think you should post a link here to your SNOT track video which shows the ball going around...and around...and around...the track.

Bill

[vineet_kiran]

I have looked at your drawing. Something seems not right in your equation. Shield weight is mechanically coupled with the pendulum, and will only cause the pendulum to change/lower frequency and possibly amplitude due to inertia in the shield mass,
because the linear movement of the shield is not sinusodial and not depending on resonance.

Mr.Vidar,

Consult a physics professor, find out the exact energy equation and compare the input / output energy. Take your own time.

In your drawing, the shield does not need weight at all (Except the weight in the shield itself). Movement of this shield could likely go horizontally.

You are exactly right. Shield moves easily on the surface of magnet because it is parallel to the surface of magnet and experiences uniform flux theoughout in a parallel plane. It gets stuck at the bottom of magnet stack when it tries to move out of magnet.  I think now you have tried and realized. 

Shield will not move in horizontal plane because it is held with attracative force from the strong magnet on left side also.  That is the reason why I have said keep the fixed magnet very strong and moving magnet weak.

I can't see any possible reason why any type of design will cause over unity. But I hope you have an idea how to minimize all possible losses.

Once again I request you to build the engine as seen in my video and verify it.  Please don't make things complicated.
(I am getting bored!)

[vineet_kiran]

If you think eddy current damping in the shield is insignificant because the shield is moving "slowly"... I can only reply that you must not have much experience in such matters.

I agree that I don't have much experience in electrical experiments.  But even if the movement of shield causes eddy currents, it exerts force on the shield to what extent?  Is it same as force of repulsion between fixed and pendulum magnet? If it is so, I should have experienced strong force on my hand equal to the repulsive force between two magnets preventing the hand from moving the shield. But as you can see the shield is moving freely.

If just moving a metal plate infront of a magnet produces enough current then why do we need a generator with large number of turns?  We can simply move a plate infront of a magnet and generate enough current, voltage, power to meet our electrical needs.

It is purely a mechanical device. I am not worried about eddy current or joule heat losses. Just tell me, to what extent these things exert additional force on the shield to prevent it (or oppose it) from moving?