Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.

[MarkE]

Mark E
Soo the laws in their country are very Weak?
no real enforcement to worry about?
and they'll only sell to little old lady's that wouldn't hurt a fly
if you robbed them ??

where I come from guys that do what you suggest here walk into shovels and much worse.
there is no amount of money that is worth that.

** I see Stefan posted whilst I was Plunking the keys.
yes we shall see hopefully

Chet K

Chet, history is littered with brazen frauds.  The strict anti-fraud laws in Germany did not stop Mike Brady from his brazen fraud.  Some people go to great lengths to present false claims.  Surely you remember Steorn who according to their filed financial reports burned through over 20 million euros.  Steorn's own jury found unanimously that Steorn failed to ever demonstrate production of energy.  Yet Steorn claimed from the outset that they had proven to do so multiple times.  Steorn over the years told a number of whopper stories that were ultimately proven false.  One of those included a claim by Steorn that they had made their system work during the Spring of 2009, which was before their jury disbanded and subsequently made their public declaration.

Another scam artist Carl Tilley, hired Al Unser to drive his fraud mobile around a track as part of his promotion.  The DeLorean had a "break down" in one of the axles.  An observer offered parts from his DeLorean that was on the scene.  Nothing doing.  Carl Tilley and his wife became fugitives.  John Rohner spent around $100,000. on one trade show alone promoting engines that never worked and he never had any idea how to make work.  He has been found liable on all charges by the SEC in his civil case.  Odds are high that he will face criminal charges when that case is done.

In matters of controversy:  Always examine the direct data.  Side data, such as how much money someone spends, or if they have famous people endorsing them is often very misleading.

[hartiberlin]

Well the problem is also, the whole concept was setup as selling kits !

So the question is, if these kits will ever get delivered at all and if,
how long will it take until the buyers would be able to build it up
themself and if it will not work at the buyers homes, Rosch and Gaia
could still blame the buyers, that they had done something wrong...

So it is a very complex situation.

Also  Gaia claimed in the past, that the about 250 to 300 people who have preordered
the device and already have paid 2400 Euros until now, can decide after the
prototype is ready, if they want to have kits and pay the rest of about 12.000 Eruos still
or quit and get their money back. But they told it like everybody would have a chance to come
to the Austria Gaia offices ( As Gaia is from Austria) and could have a good look at it with no
hurrying and that it would be shown in all details to all Gaia members and then they could decide
if they would order the kit or not and get their money back.

Now we hear today, that Gaia and Rosch are telling the visitors, that  the preorder guys
have to decide until the 6th of March, if they want the kits or not and will only
have a chance to see the prototype there in Spich in Germany...
So all the Austrian Gaia members would need to travel to Spich in Germany to see
the device and then decide in a hurry until the 6th of May...which is just ridiculous,
without real measurements being done...
And only on this last day the 6th of May are a few measurements allowed only
by electricians with approved papers and the measurement points where they will
be able to measure are only provided by Rosch... so no real measurements will be
probably be able to be made...and each electrician can only have 1 hour to make
measurements...really ridiculous...

Well...that is why I don´t trust the whole thing anymore and Mr. Dohmen CEO from Rosch
also lied to us the overunity.de measurement team in last October by telling us,
that a second small 2 Meter machine existed, which
was not true.

Regards, Stefan.

[MarkE]

In four words:  Buoyancy drives don't work.

[hartiberlin]

@TinselKoala

yes, you are right. The normal visitors only can get to a distance of 5 Meters to it,
where there is a chain. so not nearer...
They have 2 white infrared heating plates there as the load and a few lamps.

The visitor today said, one could only hear strange noises, but could not really see,
if the generator was turning..
Well even no ladder there to go up and see it from the close distance...
so he was very disappointed...
at least they serve some juices and some breads ( fingerfood) for the 40 Euros entrance fee.

But that is all you get to see there...and to technical questions Mr. Beiser
did not answer much and the other guy Mr. Otto, also from Gaia , just only said:
Believe it and buy... or get lost...

not very friendly.....

[sterlinga]

I've posted the following at: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:GAIA%27s_AuKW_Demo#Rumblings

There are some rumblings over at Overunity.com about this demonstration. The general sentiment seems to be that this must surely be some kind of scam. Scientifically, the numbers just don't add up. And they're not happy with the lack of access to the apparatus to take measurements. The security perimeter is 5 meters.
Meanwhile, the folks at GAIA are miffed at the skepticism in what to them is a straightforward demonstration of the first in a series of 500 production devices. This isn't transparent on rollers like the previous Plexiglas one, because it's designed for function, providing power, not proof.
It seems to me that both sides need more empathy for one another. GAIA needs to realize that extraordinary claims are going to require extraordinary proof. Those two fastening points of the tube to the wall are obvious points of possible trickery. This could be dispelled by cutting the power to the facility and showing that the device still runs. They shouldn't be put off by such a suggestion, but be grateful for it, as a good idea.
Meanwhile the skeptics should realize that from GAIA's point of view, they see this as a disruptive technology, and they need to keep their security apparatus wired up, and if they shut the power, that become compromised. This is just one thing that comes to mind to me as why GAIA might resist such a suggestion.
I have to admit that as I look at the numbers and info and the lack of transparency on the part of GAIA, I'm becoming more skeptical.
If this is a fraud of some kind, I doubt that very many people are in on it. Maybe two or three at most. The rest are blindly following along, thinking it is real because it looks real.
Tilley and others had a lot of people fooled.
Of course, I want this to be real.
I would hope that GAIA will allow some third party individuals to be present when the AuKW 1 is disassembled at the end of the demo May 6, so that the observers can see that the two fastening points are just that: fasteners, with no trickery embedded. At a minimum, they should allow 2-3 insider GAIA individuals to be present to observe this and report what they see.
Now that I have a better idea of what this demo entails and what the set-up is, I don't see why GAIA might be expecting big numbers to show up. The control panel is too complicated for most people. They can't see inside the tube. They can't get close. They can't climb high enough to look down inside. They just hear it operating. They could do that via YouTube.
If I had been in charge of the demonstration, I would have made sure that it was obvious that it was a stand-alone system with no way for external power to be applied. The supporting mechanism must be transparent. An easy way to do this would be to have the support mechanism removable, such as by having three fasteners so one could be removed at a time, leaving two to hold it in place. Or the supporting rods could be made see-through. I would have made the measurement instruments simple, not complex.
I'm not ready to put these guys in the Top 5. Not enough evidence yet.