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[joel321]

It may not be relevant but this also got me thinking about "food", "energy". All living things need food to survive. Basically they need to eat to survive and also need to exchange "energy" to make babies. Hmmm...when it comes to the quantum level, this makes me think that even at the quantum level the electrons need food to survive and also they have a "father and mother" but since they are not humans like us, the electron could easily just change "sex" at will because the rules change in the quantum level. If a bunch of electrons can all of a sudden become protons, wow. If one pictures the world as waves and quantum particles, it's more complex than just 0's and 1's.

Now that I think about it, money is the corruption of the mother nature universal laws of energy. The math of energy is of an equal and opposite reaction? Even poop is energy for microbial animals and i'm assuming the microbial animals poop all the way down to the quantum microbes. But money, it would be more healthy to eat poop than to eat money...lol

At any rate, if all life needs energy to survive, an electron or a photon need "food" too? Which reminds me, what is spinning around a photon? Many photons = the speed of light. But if whatever is spining around a photon is the same speed as the speed of light THEN the light would cancel out, IWO, the "unknown" spinning/orbiting around the photon must me going at greater speed than the speed of light.  If you think of a car going at 30MPH the wheels spin wayyy faster than the forward motion of the car. Now think of the "wheels" of light = must be going/wiggling/waving faster than the speed of light...lol

[joel321]

It's quite simple actually,

There is a part of an old equation that was cut off to make the calculations more easy, and also "because it doesn't do anything" but little did they know back then, and little do most know now.
You can actually measure this potential it has a pronounced effect around high voltage discharges, and i am not talking about RF or X-rays or something like that.
There is another field and this is the field you could be interested in, but most keep playing with statics and magnetic s.
You can identify or notice this field the easiest way by using a moving conductor, it does not need to be magnetic nor does it have to have magnetic properties anything will work, but like what we see in magnets, it has to be in motion to notice the effects.
You move this conductor, let's say you use a metal plate, can be anything, copper ,alu, iron, you make sure it is close to ground, or, you vary the distance between ground and the conductor, that is one of the ways, since you can notice it is there by noticing the differences just like magnetic s.
It's not all, this field can move over insulators, actually it is moving over insulators as we speak but you are most likely unaware of it.

Do you have a visual reference to go with that?

[tinman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJw_Bo00ME

This guy is lost. "Charge is a fundamental part of the magnetic field"?     He can't seem to figure why of how current is induced in a closed loop when a changing uniform magnetic field is passing through and outside the loop. "It's ambiguous". Really, is it? Not. There are no charges in the magnetic field

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This one we wont agree on Poynt. As i have said before,and say now-->magnetic fields are positive and negative charges.I know,you and most other big guns will just dismiss this as rubbish(as has happened before),but no one has yet offered another theory or explanation to what the magnetic force is. My theory fit's all situations(including the homopolar generator paradox),and is yet to be proven wrong.Like charges repel,unlike charges attract.

The "Disconnect tell". Now that is hilarious too. Good grief! Apparently he is not aware that it is the resulting circular E field which induces current in the loop, not the B field.

Are you sure?. The electric field is caused by electric charges or varying magnetic fields. Quote: since the magnetic field is described as a function of electric field, the equations of both fields are coupled and together form Maxwell's equations that describe both fields as a function of charges and currents. So how do you know which field induces the current,when you cannot have one without the other?. Without the B field,there would be no induction. Current only exist when a B field is present-->or a B field only exist when a current is flowing.

I don't think it's time to rewrite the text books just yet!

I think it's time they got a good going over. If you shut those books Poynt,then maybe that elusive TPU would come to light-->and i know your on board with that one.

[ayeaye]

Charges, my primitive understanding is this. A magnetic dipole is a revolving charge, like a wheel. Magnetic field is thus like a kind of rotating electrostatic field. The current in the wire orientates dipoles, somewhat the way like a car wheel goes against the road. Now when these dipoles stand still, this doesn't induce current, because the electrons find places where the forces are in balance, kind of, and don't move. This is why unchanging magnetic field doesn't induce current. But when more these dipoles come, then this kind of kicks the electrons and forces them to move. Again orientating the dipoles may need less work than the work that the dipoles do. This is just to have some idea, something very complex is going on there which cannot be described easily, yet it is said to be the most basic.

[ayeaye]

Is that how you talk to a 5 year old? Lol
Now you have me thinking/wondering too "what is spinning around an electron?"

Spinning, well. Considering that a particle is a changing structure of connections, a lot can be going on there. Cyclic processes that are similar to waving. But also processes which are similar to rotating. And many other things. It is a structure, on the lattice of space. As such, particles can even be inside each other, yet they maintain their identity, their structure is separate and keeps its integrity. Yet they can interact with other such structures. Such structures of connections can do whatever, like a computer code, yet they remain "physical". Thus it is not really important to find physical reasons for everything, the particles just function the way they do. And it cannot be completely described by analytical equations, for the reason i said before. The geometric patterns may have importance though, this has been found in quantum mechanics recently, why, because the patterns of connections matter in such structures.

I don't understand, all the quantum mechanics started when Planck found that everything physical, that is distances, time and everything else, is discrete. So space is a grid, may be changing grid yet grid, and all is structures of connections. This is what quantum mechanics should mean as i understand, yet it has been tried to have an understanding that it isn't so.

Well, by 5 year olds i meant 5 year old alien-like ayeayes, which can be somewhat different from human 5 year olds, so i guess i misunderstood somewhat