Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System

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Hi GravityBlock

In the picture you posted of the lego engine it mentions a "Miniature Electric fan" The purpose of the fan is to blow dry air from a Dry environment to the Humid environment when the spores are fully expanded.  Could you please show me where the electric fan is in the picture.  I do not see it on the lego construction. There are only 2 wires coming off the magnetic rocker generator and they appear to be going to some type of power monitoring device .  My only conclusion is the electric fan is off screen to right of the device and the fan cuts in and out to contract the spores.

What powers the electric Fan?

The Rotary Car is at 2X Speed.  http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150616/ncomms8346/extref/ncomms8346-s6.mov

"5) Supplementary Movie 5 (9,659 KB)
As the water in the wet paper evaporates, it drives the 0.1 kg weighing car forward. The playback speed is 2X of the real time."

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Hi GravityBlock

In the picture you posted of the lego engine it mentions a "Miniature Electric fan" The purpose of the fan is to blow dry air from a Dry environment to the Humid environment when the spores are fully expanded.  Could you please show me where the electric fan is in the picture.  I do not see it on the lego construction. There are only 2 wires coming off the magnetic rocker generator and they appear to be going to some type of power monitoring device .  My only conclusion is the electric fan is off screen to right of the device and the fan cuts in and out to contract the spores.

What powers the electric Fan?

The Rotary Car is at 2X Speed.  http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150616/ncomms8346/extref/ncomms8346-s6.mov

"5) Supplementary Movie 5 (9,659 KB)
As the water in the wet paper evaporates, it drives the 0.1 kg weighing car forward. The playback speed is 2X of the real time."

The 2 wires coming off the magnetic rocker generator appears to be going to the miniature electric fan, that is just off the screen to the left (see image below with red text and a red arrow pointing to where I think the fan is).  IMO, the magnetic rocker generator is powering the miniature electric fan. 

Yes, the rotary car is at 2x speed.  However, you're claim that there is no significant recoil effect based on the rate of expansion being a lot slower in the video doesn't hold, because not all of the experiments in the video were sped up as you falsely implied and asserted.  I would say there is a significant recoil effect based on the spore strips visibly expanding and contracting just by inhaling and exhaling, as described by Sahin.  Also, I would say there is a significant recoil effect if one pound of spores with a little humidity has the capabilities to lift a car 1 meter off the ground.

At the top of your post, you claim there is no significant recoil effect, then at the bottom of the same post in reply #50, you said, "Like you I have some ideas on how to leverage these spores to generate power but I need to give them further consideration to fully understand how they could work".  Now, my question to you based on all of your previous negative comments, false assertions, etc is, How are you going to leverage these spores to generate power and why would you try to leverage these spores, when according to you there is no significant recoil effect, an electrical fan is required, a pump must be used to get the water back to the top, a pump is used to inject humidity-controlled air into an enclosed chamber, etc?

You have ideas on how to leverage these spores, which you haven't shared, and you have done nothing but misrepresent the facts in order to discourage others from giving any further consideration into this subject.  This leads me to believe you have a hidden agenda for being on this forum, and that would be to develop your own proprietary system for your own financial benefit and gain.

Gravock

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I am not sure you understand what the term recoil means. Please research newtons laws of motion and get back to me.

How much power do you actually think that magnetic rocker is generating? It looks like an average of  1.47 μW but I can't be sure I can't see the scale used.  Do you know how to make any type of fan that could operate at < an average of  1.47 μW.

What is the distance the rocker is traveling 1cm, 2cm, 5cm ?
What is the expansion and contraction rate of the spore strip (2s, 1s, 500ms) ?

Even if you manually moved that rocker back and forth at 500ms intervals for a distance of  + and - 5cm you still could not generate enough energy to turn a fan.

Do you honestly believe that rocking that magnet back and forth using the spores is generating sufficient energy to power an electric fan that would allow this device to run autonomously without any external influence.   If this was in fact the case why didn't the article say so? This would be very impressive and probably get some type of science award. I believe he would have clearly stated this SELF POWERED HUMIDITY ENGINE!!! instead of trying to obfuscate the details around the spores powering the fan or not..

Why don't you email the inventor and ask or are you just happy reaching your own conclusions that this is generating free energy without any supporting evidence?

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I am not sure you understand what the term recoil means. Please research newtons laws of motion and get back to me.

How much power do you actually think that magnetic rocker is generating? It looks like an average of  1.47 μW but I can't be sure I can't see the scale used.  Do you know how to make any type of fan that could operate at < an average of  1.47 μW.

What is the distance the rocker is traveling 1cm, 2cm, 5cm ?
What is the expansion and contraction rate of the spore strip (2s, 1s, 500ms) ?

Even if you manually moved that rocker back and forth at 500ms intervals for a distance of  + and - 5cm you still could not generate enough energy to turn a fan.

Do you honestly believe that rocking that magnet back and forth using the spores is generating sufficient energy to power an electric fan that would allow this device to run autonomously without any external influence.   If this was in fact the case why didn't the article say so? This would be very impressive and probably get some type of science award. I believe he would have clearly stated this SELF POWERED HUMIDITY ENGINE!!! instead of trying to obfuscate the details around the spores powering the fan or not..

Why don't you email the inventor and ask or are you just happy reaching your own conclusions that this is generating free energy without any supporting evidence?

I could care less if a fan was used or not to move humidity-controlled air around.  Some experiments used a fan (mostly to create an environment where the different parameters, such as relative humidity, temperature, etc could be rapidly switched and controlled during their experiments for data purposes), and other experiments were designed to work without a fan, etc.  The magnetic rocker generator apparatus was placed on a ceramic-top heater.  Does this mean a heater is required for the spores to expand and contract?  Absolutely not!  Does this mean a ceramic-top heater was used in all of their experiments?  Of course not!  Does this mean an electrical fan is required for the spores to expand and contract?  Absolutely not!  Does this mean a fan was used in all of their experiments?  Of course not!  You have no ability to differentiate between what is necessary and what is not.

Gravock

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The spore technology can be applied to many hybrid-tech devices or applications.
what I personally would do with this has not yet been mentioned anywhere and im gonna keep it.

But the devices and uses discussed here, this system is technically

a Heat engine

Whether the heat comes from Solar, Geothermal, or an artificial source.
The evaporation process takes heat from one side and moves it to the other.
performing work

By law it can only be perfected to 50% efficiency at converting all the heat into usable energy.
Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle

but if the source of heat is free (ambient/environmental), it doesn't matter. it's "free".