Sticky point again

[thevorlon]

Clanzer,

I'm impressed! Three whole 360 degree revolutions is a great start!

One thing I will say is that I am going to consider the wheel as the rotor and the outside magnet as the stator just to keep things clear in my mind.

Have you considered changing the shape of the stator magnet or using a couple at different angles? One might point directly at the rotor magnets and another might point at an angle to give it a "push" from beside sort of.

By the way, do "mainstream" scientists have an official explanation for why there is always sticky points to deal with? Do they have another name for them? I would like to hear their official explanation because then we could perhaps know more about them and figure a way around them.

Also, do you believe having extra magnets on top (on another level) create additional sticky points? Do they too help at first but then become sticky points?

Keep up the great work! I am very, very tempted to purchase some magnets soon.

[CLaNZeR]

Sorry TheVordon I am not a scientist or have any background in physics.
I am more of a practical guy who just sticks things together and see's why it does not work or try to get it to work.

There are plenty of other technical guys on these forums that may be able to help you with deeper explanantions, but I found if I kept trying to understand technical theories, then all my time was taken up with reading other peoples writings, rather than just trying for myself.

So my approach is try build it and hey if it works, then let the scientific sorts suss out the long words later!!!!
Science says it is not possible and if we all believe that then this forum and bunch of mad scientists in it would not exist!!!

Must admit I have filled a tube with iron filings this end, which is interesting to see the invisible magnetic fluxes and how they change with different configs. But that about my level of investigating Flux fields LOL

Back to nailing some bits of metal and magnets together this end!!!

Regards

Sean.

Clanzer,

I'm impressed! Three whole 360 degree revolutions is a great start!

One thing I will say is that I am going to consider the wheel as the rotor and the outside magnet as the stator just to keep things clear in my mind.

Have you considered changing the shape of the stator magnet or using a couple at different angles? One might point directly at the rotor magnets and another might point at an angle to give it a "push" from beside sort of.

By the way, do "mainstream" scientists have an official explanation for why there is always sticky points to deal with? Do they have another name for them? I would like to hear their official explanation because then we could perhaps know more about them and figure a way around them.

Also, do you believe having extra magnets on top (on another level) create additional sticky points? Do they too help at first but then become sticky points?

Keep up the great work! I am very, very tempted to purchase some magnets soon.

[thevorlon]

Clanzer,

I sent you a private message. If you would, please respond to me by sending me another private message.

I totally understand where you are coming from. I'm not a scientist myself. The truth is I can understand the basic idea of many concepts, but the technical stuff and advanced concepts are way above my head. One reason why I'm interested in these motors now is because I have realized that just about anyone can tinker with them!

Once again, please respond to my private message.

[Gregory]

thevorlon and others,

The experiments you're doing are all very useful in studying how magnets work.
However, if you think once you will be able to make a wheel which is simply spinning by statically fixed permanent magnets, you're on the wrong track. (IMHO)

Just look at an Electromagnetic motor, any DC or AC motor.

The fields must change, The magnets must move somehow in order to have only a chance for something new, or some success. With other words, How can you imitate dynamically changing magnetic fields with the use of permanent magnets only?
(This is the reason why the Torbay motor has some merit.)

If you fix them in position, and hope they will generate continous motive power, or always positive torque... In reality, simply this will never happens. (This is against the functioning and operation of the magnets.) You deal with permanent magnets, with static magnetic fields. When you fix them, they will be fixed, and in this case no practical motion will be possible. Really doesn't matter how you fix them, in what configuration, or in what positions.
I learnt this on the hard way! (by experimenting with my own ideas and setups, just like you.)

In the other hand I believe the thing we are looking for is exist, and it's possible to find it.
Just keep up the good work, continue your experiments and learn about them.
Every experiment can be useful.

Regards,
Greg

[thevorlon]

Greg,

Quite frankly, permanent magnet motors with static magnets do indeed work. They produce movement and force. However, sticky points get in the way. I'm no expert, but I believe with enough work various magnetic field configurations could be made that would help the rotor push past these obstacles. We just have to find a way to eliminate the sticky spots.

Apparently, Steorn already has gotten beyond this obstacle! We just need to figure out how we can adjust the magnets, add insulators, or manipulate the flux to get past the sticy points.