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Moon Walkers.

Started by tinman, January 22, 2016, 04:30:29 AM

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tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 26, 2016, 03:38:40 AM
Tinman,

You may be right about that being thermal blistering.  However, although I don't have time to look into it right now, I wonder if that might be ice.  I'll try to find out what that panel is or what's behind it.  However, it does indeed look like puckered paint.

Note that the only shiny looking well assembled piece from an aesthetic point of view (that would meet your approval) is the nice and shiny command module.  It is the only part of the system that needs to be built tough on the outside for re-entry into the atmosphere.  No other components (service module or LM) had to deal with aerodynamic forces (and survive anyway).

PW

PW
You do realize that the image i posted(see below) is of the command module that has to carry the astronauts through re entry back to earth ?.

picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 26, 2016, 04:20:30 AM
PW
You do realize that the image i posted(see below) is of the command module that has to carry the astronauts through re entry back to earth ?.

That is the service module you are looking at.  Apollo was three separate pieces.  The service module, the command module, and the lunar excursion module.

The only thing that came back to Earth intact was the shiny command module at the front of the service module.  The service module detached prior to reentry and burnt up in the atmosphere when it re-entered.  The SM had the rocket motor, life support, electrical fuel cells, water, etc, and it was all just thrown away. 'Tis a pity.

Perhaps Elon Musk will get us away from disposable rockets.

EDIT:  SORRY, I was referring to a previous photo you posted.  I guess we are not talking about the same thing. 

The image you just posted with "rescue" on it would not be the service module.

ADDED:  The "shiny" part I was referring to is the command module as seen in the third image of your reply 103

PW


picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 26, 2016, 02:42:56 AM
I have really enjoyed going through the high res pictures of the Apollo mission from this site--real or not,the pictures really make you want to believe that man did make this fantastic journey.
But i will not let !what may be! a wonderful fantasy get in the way of scientific proof-either way.
So for all-enjoy the high res pictures of all missions.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/with/72157658976934006

There was a few !!odd!! pictures i found with the Apollo 17 CSM.
The first is a picture taken from the lunar lander of the CSM. The part you see is the command module.
Now just to keep MH happy,i will not comment on what i see that is covering the command module.
The second picture is a close up of part of the first picture from the link i provided above. You can also see the photo reference number in the first picture,so as you can have a look your self at the exploded view of the picture. When you have found the picture in the gallery from the link i provided above,you simply click on that picture. When you do this,a smaller picture will be displayed. Click again on that smaller picture,and you whole screen will be filled with a HD picture--can take a few seconds before the picture becomes clean--depends on your PCU speed,and internet connection speed. Once you have the exploded view,you simply move your mouse over the picture to view different parts of the picture.

The third picture below is of the CSM in moon orbit. Now we see the CSM skin has a highly reflective surface. Remember-the first picture shows the CSM leaving earth heading for the moon,and the third show's it in orbit around the moon.
I will leave others to determine what they are looking at in the first picture.

Brad


When you post images, would you please provide image numbers?  It just takes way too long trying to track down image info without them.

Thanks...

PW

Nink

Quote from: picowatt on January 26, 2016, 04:26:28 AM
That is the service module you are looking at.  Apollo was three separate pieces.  The service module, the command module, and the lunar excursion module.

The only thing that came back to Earth intact was the shiny command module at the front of the service module.  The service module detached prior to reentry and burnt up in the atmosphere when it re-entered.  The SM had the rocket motor, life support, electrical fuel cells, water, etc, and it was all just thrown away. 'Tis a pity.

Perhaps Elon Musk will get us away from disposable rockets.

EDIT:  SORRY, I was referring to a previous photo you posted.  I guess we are not talking about the same thing. 

The image you just posted with "rescue" on it would not be the service module.

ADDED:  The "shiny" part I was referring to is the command module as seen in the third image of your reply 103

PW

Seriously though does that look like something built with a multibillion dollar budget or something thrown together by a group of people for a studio production.

On take off the rocket was pulling between 3 to 4 g's  under that much force, the rocket undergoes a tremendous amount of vibration. Anything not perfectly aerodynamic will simply strip off due to wind resistance. Do you honestly believe that service module wouldn't have simply fallen apart on take off?

Those sheets of metal would peel away in the first 3 seconds. They are obviously not really part of any rocket that launched from earth and nothing more than a studio prop. So why did they use them in the photo's  ? 

Manufacturing and engineering was far more advanced than that studio prop in 1969.  Example  Look at how cars were built in 1969, this was the era of the supercars with Ferrari Dino and Lamborghini Miura.  You could say but yes this was a "one off" not a production line so here is the 1969 Australian Holden Hurricane concept car only one ever built and it only needed to make it to the local car show and not the moon.


tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 26, 2016, 04:26:28 AM
That is the service module you are looking at.  Apollo was three separate pieces.  The service module, the command module, and the lunar excursion module.

The only thing that came back to Earth intact was the shiny command module at the front of the service module.  The service module detached prior to reentry and burnt up in the atmosphere when it re-entered.  The SM had the rocket motor, life support, electrical fuel cells, water, etc, and it was all just thrown away. 'Tis a pity.

Perhaps Elon Musk will get us away from disposable rockets.



PW

QuoteEDIT:  SORRY, I was referring to a previous photo you posted.  I guess we are not talking about the same thing. 

The image you just posted with "rescue" on it would not be the service module.

ADDED:  The "shiny" part I was referring to is the command module as seen in the third image of your reply 103

That is correct PW,and the reason for my question. All three pictures i posted are of the command module,so i am just asking as to how that can be,as the ones that look like the command module is covered in duct tape,is as they were leaving earth on the way to the moon. The last picture is taken when they arrive at the moon,and are now in lunar orbit. The other pictures in the earth orbit section,also show big chunk's broken off around the window frame's,but when they get to the moon,we see a nice shinny,well built command module with no broken window frame's. How can this be?.

Brad