MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[MileHigh]

Brad:

My toughts are,because of MHs statement that an ideal voltage source contains no energy,is a clear indication that he would not have been able to answer his question correctly.
You may wish to rethink your stance on MH being able to do so.

This is just useless spinning.  You read how I described what an ideal voltage source is.  An ideal voltage source can output or absorb an unlimited amount of power, and by extension, an unlimited amount of energy.  But it does not "contain energy."  It's just a concept, an important tool used all the time in electronics.

Wattsup:

If you cannot first concede your question was loaded the way it was asked, then you can play with yourself

Sorry, but you failed to make an impression.  Reading you discussing electronics is difficult and stressful.

Let's focus on moving forward.

MileHigh

[poynt99]

My toughts are,because of MHs statement that an ideal voltage source contains no energy,is a clear indication that he would not have been able to answer his question correctly.
You may wish to rethink your stance on MH being able to do so.

Brad

I don't wish to change my stance. I know he could.

But that wasn't what my question was about. I said at one point that some of the inductor's energy would be returned to the source, and you disagreed and said it was not possible. And that had nothing to do with MH's statement, this was your own stance. verpies seems to agree with me on this and I'd like to know if this has caused you to reconsider perhaps?

[tinman]

Brad:

This is just useless spinning.  You read how I described what an ideal voltage source is.  An ideal voltage source can output or absorb an unlimited amount of power, and by extension, an unlimited amount of energy.  But it does not "contain energy."  It's just a concept, an important tool used all the time in electronics.

Wattsup:

Sorry, but you failed to make an impression.  Reading you discussing electronics is difficult and stressful.

Let's focus on moving forward.

MileHigh

The fact that you dont understand what a !source! Of power is, only means you cannot understand your own question .
Show me any source that can deliver power without that source containing enery.
I await the next MH paradox.

Brad.

[tinman]

Brad, verpies is agreeing that some of the energy stored in the inductor can be absorbed by the voltage source. Or at least I think he is.

What are your thoughts now?

He also stated -but what happens to  it?.
Then we look at MHs idiotic reply after that-shows how serious he is about the whole thing.

Verpies said-but what happens to it once it is absorbed?--MH says it cannot be contained within the ideal device that verpies and yourself just stated absorbed it.

Im wondering if you are seeing how stupid this sounds.

A source that can provide power, must contain the energy within it, in order to provide that power.


I remain firm on my position that MH could not possibly  answer his own question,as he dose not even know what a power source is.

Brad

[MileHigh]

Brad:

Well, if you are going to push it then we will get to the root of the matter, and it's a use of language issue.  It makes sense to say that a capacitor or an inductor can "contain energy."  It implies that there is a finite and measurable amount of energy in the device.  In contrast, a voltage source has no finite and measurable amount of energy.  It doesn't make sense to say that "A voltage source contains some energy."  An ideal voltage source is not even a tangible device, it's a theoretical device.

In the world of electronics, nobody uses the language construct of an ideal voltage source "containing energy."  That's the way it is, and sometimes you have to go with the flow.  Just because you strung those words together does not mean that it is a valid thing to say.  In fact it is an invalid thing to say and you should just absorb that fact and move on.  When you used the argument that since an inductor can return energy to the ideal voltage source therefore the voltage source "must contain energy," it was simply wrong.  You have to think and choose your words better than that.  An ideal voltage source supplies energy, it does not contain energy.

Most importantly, we are certainly all in agreement on this fact:  The ideal voltage source can supply power to the device it's connected to, and it can even absorb power from the device it's connected to.  There is no disputing this fact by anyone in this debate, and that is the critical factor for advancing this debate.

So don't give us your trash talk that I "dont understand what a !source! of power is."  You are not fooling anybody by a long shot.  It's time for you to move forward in the technical discussion and talk about what we are really here for.

MileHigh