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car energy consume improvements

Started by lancaIV, July 02, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

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lancaIV

Quote from: Cloxxki on September 20, 2023, 04:06:58 PM
20 W for 25 kph, then.
But a horribly impractical design of course. Would consume 2x or 3x as much on normal pavement, more easily overlooked in traffic than a toddler chasing a butterly between parked cars.

Safe motoring calls for a pretty upright position, and realistic conditions bring a consumption that's a multiple.
The costs with personal lightweight transport was never the energy, it's the device, the parking.
Bicycles just work, and they work in a huge share of cities, if only there were an infrastructure for them to be safely used. I live in such a country. e-bikes have made more people super lazy and moving too fast to be safe, and brought only some old people to get into nature more, where cycling and wind and dunes were just too much for old legs.
I wrote '1 Wh/Km net ',
100 Wh/Km - 99 Wh/Km on-board generation/recuperation = also '1 Wh net ' result ! ;)
Per pedes,mono-wheel,bicycle,tricycle,quad,wheel-free ,hovercar= floating/flairing/flying

Being and staying flexible !
The french designer/engineer Arzen his 'Egg' as '1 Wh net' and cheap ≤ 1000 € ,before incentives, commuter,that I find a practical city speed limit 40 Km/h mobility solution !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0XzbnRfuE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06uM232cHOE
             Nude functionality !

I know,related 500 €/100 Kg car/-t ,
calculation based by http://www.evalbum.com/314 used hardware

1000 € without incentives,would mean - by Citroen Ami lease plan condition - 0,10 €/day fee costs ,100% comfort price increase !  :P     :'(     :-\
Egg - sharing,2 part-time/share-partner = 0,05 €/day  :)

('Kleingedruckte ' : naduerli + Anzahlung/Entree  ::) )

Like : Rogers C10 , designed 1984 ,  https://c5designer.co.uk/


Compared with 'postmodern' Colani's 'Yellow Egg' ( more in the 5000 € fob factory price class )
https://www.cardesignnews.com/designers/in-memoriam-luigi-colani-1929-2019/39133.article
Car Design News spoke to Colani in 2007 when a major exhibition of his work was shown London's Design Museum, and he told us: "Amongst today's car industry management there is not one that understands the real problems". Colani believed the whole emphasis on new vehicle development was wrong: "We have hundreds of electric motors to do jobs normally done by human hands. Car design should not be about the small details. It should be about the bigger picture... Cars should be "simpler, less features, streamlined, lightly built." He uses a slogan (in German): "langsam, leise, lustig, liecht" - meaning slow, quiet, spirited, light. Colani believed the mainstream manufacturers were all missing the point, "to build cars to go from A to B with a smile... to give answers to problems of our time".

langsam~ slowly/leisurely    leise~ silent  lustig~ funny  leicht~ 'thin'/lightly in weight

lightly ~ https://lautomobileancienne.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Oeuf-%C3%A9lectrique-arzens-2.jpg

A.I.,spoken EI ~ Ei-gen-Spin Intelligenz ? ;D


Cloxxki

"Front-wheel e-motor
Back-wheel generator

motor/generator net zero consume relationship"

Please don't mean what this sounds like...
What do you actually mean with this cryptic hint?
Can you try and dedicate more text than links to it?

lancaIV

It is about losts observation in electro-magnetic-kinetic transforming machines !
The only one direction conversion use as common practizising ( industrial low cost ),when we ever have the two Fleming hand-rules direction currents to converse and inverse,positive and negative forces and electrical : positive and negative signals as Hertzian Cycles/Swing Circle  pulses !

One the motoric the other the generatoric effect = C-/EMF

Right direction current coil and left direction current coil = bi-filiar .

90% motor efficiency means by conventional machine actually  :
physical XY(Z)Axis 45 % total C-/EMF output conversion !


System improvement : under right square and cube law effect apply !

Only concentrating to one direction,assuming actio/reactio forces as same, means 50% conversion potential from 100% physical potential diminuation,applying the cube effect :0,5 x 0,5 x 0,5 = 0,125 =

                 12,5 per cent is the constructive maximal conversion efficiency !               
                                                        Full load condition !

By fixed RPM and partial/fractional load ( net-grid Voltage and Frequency controlled ):

                                                                     ≤ 10 % !


Next :

One motor coil per stator or rotor to multiple independent ' each pole its own circuit' freedom degree improvement or/and  as multi-disc/rotor  arrangement !

Halfing the consume,doubling the generator output :  consume percentage saturation by recuperation ?
The front-wheel motor also as rotorverter device,or motor with generator coil.

As e-bike 25 Km/h velocity ~ 7 m/sec

https://overunity.com/2238/cheap-wind-farming/5/wap2/
Example: A wind turbine with a nominal 400 W (manufacturer's specification) generated at a wind force of approx. 20 m / sec. an output of 70 watts. After converting the generator to combined windings, the system delivered with a wind force of 5-6 m / sec. 140 watts. At 10-12 m / sec. were generated over 320 watts!
Back-wheel as 'wind-ing turbine rotor ' !
Front-wheel : magnet array and bi-/double winding
to

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Li+Yng+Tyan+&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

Nominal and peak,flat land and hill,....... : differences

Yes,there are many pro-/contra points to re-/search for PERFECTION

We are in 'Common Future' experimental stage !

And there are street rules and laws :

personal assisted pedelec ( human pedalling)
full electric bicycle / emotor-bike
E-trike regulation versus normative ' car'-regulations !



And comercial end seller price mechanism :

250-100 finance unit  :  international granted  patent saved object

30 financial units :         non patent saved object,singularly buy,shop price

15 financial units :         non patent saved object,group buy,fob factory

7,5 financial units:         non patent saved object,group buy,fob factory,self-montage kit

The above for new ware,
for second-hand/used market ware the last,
7,5 financial units,the maximal price base ,
down to worthpoor scratch value and price


25 Km/ h divided 1,68 ( km/land-mile) ~ 14,9 mph
http://watersturbine.weebly.com/waters-turbine.html
Third party and direct comparison test
There have been three separate third party tests, including extensive computer flow analysis (CFA). My own direct comparative tests against a conventional high performance wind turbine in a broad range of conditions confirm theory. We ran extensive direct comparisons in real world conditions because 3rd party results seemed too high. An aerodynamicist study over several months of tests using CFA and wind tunnel tests showed up to 122 times more efficient than existing designs at 14 mph.

Personal Wind Assistant on Cabin-bike ?
The Water Turbine with Arestov double winding generator coupled ?
The Arestov generator output to Asaoka magnet force amplifier ?
By only 50% turbine output improvement,before Arestov generator couple,the drag/resistance would be important !
But by 122 times = 12 200 percentual improvement : quantite negliable !
122 times : much ?
Richard Fradella 1000 RPM 1000 W nominal pulse dc generator :

by                           500 RPM    125 W output

by                           100 RPM      1 W output

1 W to 125 W = 125 times improvement,12 500 % = 5 times RPM amplifying

Wind like other fluid  stream is cube-istical in effect !



Cloxxki

I can't follow the reasoning for those low efficiencies. From where I'm sitting, the motor output seems in line with the battery supplied power or energy.
I see countless of topics trying to do something clever with back EMF, but none seems to have doubled energy output through a motor from a given battery charge. Extremely hypothetical to get significant gains from a battery and motor arrangement. It's not like a lab test where there can be "complicated" multimeter setups "showing" amazing results. A motor that drives a known load (style of moped) is highly predictable.
If you find a way to get twice the motor output from a given battery on an e-bike, all that will do is halve the size of the battery, saving a few dozen euros on the 4-digit e-bike. Such an invention would serve aviation much more. They also in an activist stranglehold to shift into the (impossible) mass electric flight "reality".
Needing only halve the battery vs conventional, would add a few dozen seats to the now largest viable electric airplane.