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Overunity Machines Forum



car energy consume improvements

Started by lancaIV, July 02, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

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lancaIV

Is for a limitless city/urban vehicle( not strictly  defined : as 4 wheel 'car') with 40 Km•h (+10% tachometer preservation) urban/city max.velocity

   1000 Wh net battery/capacitor power storage capacity not enough ?
Condition :

A. the Vegan etrike motorization ,magnet array drive improved ( Roberto Catalan,Sankar Pat)

B. claimed Saburo power source

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+Saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=

Is the Saburo power source then not also sufficient for :

II. Zsolt(based by Hawlitschek publication )  1,5 KW AC drive ic-engine car conversion

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1#
III. Porquer 4x 500 W electric motors  transmission

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1#

1000 Wh battery capacity : +- 100 US$ in mass production,5000 charge cycles by 80% DoD

Liberalism : creative destruction and destructive creativity

From A.I.-stand point the financial production from 1 US$ or 1 € is really cheap : several cents costs
95 cents per $ or € F.E.D/ECB-political margin !

The real physical productivity from the western economy : under 5 percentum !
A.I.= excluding this individual 95% losts !

Related $3333 soap-box : 2800 US$ the Tata-Fiat  Nano endseller price

                                             https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano

                                            4000 US$ the Renault Kwid  endseller price

                                            https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid

Less engine costs ~ ≤ 3333 US$ engine-less mass production car/-t costs

Real world pricing !

Cloxxki

If you have OU, you don't need a battery even, you can run on a capacitor or sorts, or even none, depending on the technology.

Low speed vehicles will usually not rack up a lot of distance over a day. Batteries can be small enough to be carried to any home, and charge on almost any level of grip power available.
If someone were to operate a riksjah taxi service  of sorts, 75 W or less average human work added (6 hours net cycling on 8-12 hour shift, 300 Wh extra available), 1000 Wh may still be enough. Human drivers have done it without electric power forever, right? That's under 4 kg of cells, but they need some housing and BMS and a converter. Motors need nog be powerful, 1 kW is plenty and barely adds weight. Might even be disassembled and brought home overnight for safety as well.

Occupant safety is another question. If you're to mingle with cars and trucks, accidents easily turn lethal. Without a heavy construction, that's not going to change, and such heavy construction quickly turns a <1 kW vehcile into a vehicle too expensive to run at cycling speeds only, and then needs to hit 90 kph and demand 10 kW+ and 20 kWh+ to work for taxi services to any degree. 20 kWh on a light car-like vehicle with some highway section, simple won't make it through a shift. Then you get into charging infra challenges, battery swaps, or larger and more costly batteries.
A lot of untility is gotton from a riksjah class vehicle and the next step up to a pizza delivery car is huge. Double the weight, double the power. Double the speed, quadruple or more the power.

lancaIV

An ' autonomous city drive car/-t' is strictly legal street max. velocity limited !
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/cities-where-it-s-faster-to-walk-than-drive/
City-/sub-urban range !
In Germany,total country = rural+urban( included high-way),average velocity : 56 Km•h ! Source : ADAC

We can assume that the global car average velocity is in the 50 Km•h range !


1000 Wh battery weight ,by 500 Wh/Kg = 2 Kg

1000 Wh capacitor weight,by 100 Wh/Kg = 10 Kg

Both + energy storage monitoring system and charger





Cloxxki

500 Wh/kg doesn't exist outside the laboratory. If you had it in any quantities, able to cycle a few thousands time as is typical, you could name your price. Might as well calculate the weight of an OU system without battery, it may even happen sooner.

56 kph may be average, but you can't drive on the road you need to drive with 50 kph as a top speed. Hugely unsafe and usually illegal. In rural areas, tractors going 40 kph on 60-80 kph roads, are a true cork in the bottle and thorn in the eye. Now imagine such in cheap taxi quantities, in metropoles where you need highways to get places. Make that even worse with autonomous taxis, which are WAY cheaper to operate, if indeed level 5 autonomous, and would become very numerous on any roads where they allowed, providing they get people to destinations on the same roads are normal taxis.
If you can't exceed 50 kph consistently and safely, you're just still a moped riksjah to mingle with foot traffic.

adrouk

Quote from: lancaIV on September 19, 2023, 01:12:34 PM
An ' autonomous city drive car/-t' is strictly legal street max. velocity limited !
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/cities-where-it-s-faster-to-walk-than-drive/
City-/sub-urban range !
In Germany,total country = rural+urban( included high-way),average velocity : 56 Km•h ! Source : ADAC

We can assume that the global car average velocity is in the 50 Km•h range !


1000 Wh battery weight ,by 500 Wh/Kg = 2 Kg

1000 Wh capacitor weight,by 100 Wh/Kg = 10 Kg

Both + energy storage monitoring system and charger

Things are just looking good when you look in this direction and it is not far from something achievable especially with the latest trend to reduce speed in cities.

Just imagine how this might look with old and banned mercury batteries and their ability to self charge when at rest. Their reversible chemistry with mercury oxide and zinc electrodes in an potassium hydroxide electrolyte is yet to be achieved by modern and modern expensive batteries