Would a DC-Motor Rotate Inside a Ring-Magnet ?

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   My Design For A  Lenz-Less  Electric-Motor
   (  where the electromagnetic-eddies etc,   are minimized as much as possible )

   Firstly,  it uses the Disk-Permanent-Magnet  and the   Aluminium-Disk  which are both on the same shaft,  as used in the  Faraday-Paradox .

   Then, the  aluminium-disk  has an  aluminium-cone  sealed onto it's outer edge/perimeter,  so that it looks like an  aluminium-cone  with the big round end sealed of with the  aluminium-disk,   however,  the skinny end of the cone does not taper off into a sharp point,  instead,  that skinny point is just a small round hole.

    Then : 
      -  An insulated wire will be put through the skinny end of the cone( which is a round hole ),  and soldered inside the cone to the exact center of the aluminium-disk .
      -  DC current will radiate from the center  of the  aluminium-disk  and out to it's  outer edge/perimeter,  and then the  rest of the  aluminum-cone  is simply used as a conductor  for the current  to travel back to the  power-supply.

     Then,  an  Iron-Disk  is added to the shaft between the  disk-face of the  Aluminium-Cone  and the  disk-permanent-magnet,  this  Iron-Disk  is free to  rotate .

    NOTE: In this version of this motor,  the  Aluminium-Cone  and the   Disk-Permanent-Magnet  do not  rotate,  they remain stationary on the shaft.

    The Idea Is : 
      -  That  electromagnetic-field  from the disk-face of the  Aluminium-Cone  will  exert  a  force on the  Iron-Disk  which  is free to  rotate,   
      -  And,   at the  same time  the  Disk-Permanent-Magnet  which sits on the other side of the  Iron-Disk,  also  exerts  a  force on the  Iron-Disk  which  is free to  rotate,   
      -  It's possible,  that the result will be that the  Iron-Disk  will  rotate.

    NOTE :
    - In another version, you could replace the  Iron-Disk,  with one made of  aluminium or copper.
        - Also,  it may require more than one free-spinning  Iron-Disk ( or made of  aluminium or copper )

    The  disk-face of the  Aluminium-Cone  should  produce a very different electromagnetic-field  to that of a simple  straight-piece-of-dc-current-carrying-wire,  so I don't know if this motor would function.
   

     

       

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The  'Aluminium-Cone' component I just described,  could be used in a different  electric-motor,  by using the the electromagnetic-field emanated from it's outer edge perimeter( or close to it, wherever an appropriate electromagnetic-field to cause rotation occurs )  in order to cause rotation of either a separate  rotating-component,   or the  'Aluminium-Cone' component itself,  or even both.

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    'Another'  Design  I Thought  Of,  For A  Lenz-Less  Electric-Motor
    (  where the electromagnetic-eddies etc,   are minimized as much as possible,  or non existent  )

    (  This one is so simple ,  I doubt I'm the first to think of  it )

    (  This design contains 'No-Permanent-Magnets'  )

    The design is simply a  inner-conducting-wire( or an  inner-conducting-solid-cylinder,   or an  inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center,    which is  inside  of an  outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.

    The  DC-current  in the  inner-conducting-wire( or an  inner-conducting-solid-cylinder,   or an  inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center,  would flow in the opposite direction to that of the  outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
   
    So either the inner-component,  or the outer component would rotate,  or both could rotate.

   Power could be delivered to the  rotating-component( s )  via induction,  or via photovoltaics,  or via  wireless-power-transmission .

   The  rotating-component( s )  could rotate on  Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Only-Full-Levitation-Beariings,  so that they would make no physical contact with any other object.

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'Another'  Design  I Thought  Of,  For A  Lenz-Less  Electric-Motor
    (  where the electromagnetic-eddies etc,   are minimized as much as possible,  or non existent  )

    (  This one is so simple ,  I doubt I'm the first to think of  it )

    (  This design contains 'No-Permanent-Magnets'  )

    The design is simply a  inner-conducting-wire( or an  inner-conducting-solid-cylinder,   or an  inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center,    which is  inside  of an  outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.

    The  DC-current  in the  inner-conducting-wire( or an  inner-conducting-solid-cylinder,   or an  inner-conducting-hollow-cylinder ) in the center,  would flow in the opposite direction to that of the  outer-conducting-hollow-cylinder.
   
    So either the inner-component,  or the outer component would rotate,  or both could rotate.

   Power could be delivered to the  rotating-component( s )  via induction,  or via photovoltaics,  or via  wireless-power-transmission .

   The  rotating-component( s )  could rotate on  Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Only-Full-Levitation-Beariings,  so that they would make no physical contact with any other object.

    A clarification to this  motor-design  of a   DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder  that  has a smaller(  but same length  )  DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder inside of it,   and the direction of the  DC-current  is different between the  2 hollow-cylinders.

   (  Remembering that the   Inner-DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder  could be substituted with a straight length of wire  )

    The  clarification  is that you would ensure that  current would flow evenly across all the surface of the cylinders by using  'Cones'  to input and output current to the  cylinders .

     This is described in my previous  motor design  in the posts below  :

         http://overunity.com/16822/would-a-dc-motor-rotate-inside-a-ring-magnet/msg491347/#msg491347

         http://overunity.com/16822/would-a-dc-motor-rotate-inside-a-ring-magnet/msg491357/#msg491357
   

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        Another Update To This :    Electric-motor-design  of a   DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder  that  has a smaller(  but same length  )  DC-electric-conducting-hollow-cylinder inside of it,   and the direction of the  DC-current  is different between the  2 hollow-cylinders.

     This update is to state the obvious that either the  outer-cylinder,   or  the  inner-cylinder,  could be replaced with a   'permanent-magnet-cylinder',   and that the   DC-electric-conducting-cylinder   would be the component that would rotate,   since I assume it would be impossible for the  'permanent-magnet-cylinder'  to rotate due to  Faraday's-paradox.

    Also,  attaching the  'cones' to the cylinders :
       It would be a good idea to attach the  'cone' to the  outer-cylinder  so that it is slanting  in the opposite angle to that of  the   'cone' to the  inner-cylinder ,   so that the  electromagnetic-fields  between the 2  'cones' do not interact with each other,  since  'eddies'  could occur there .