Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor

[PolaczekCebulaczek]

back EMF from what? There has to be a break for back EMF to occur.

Maybe you could get that coil to charge capacitively, but why anything else should happen I don't see it

yeah i had problems with understanding this genesis contraption too, however AFAIK the author is trying to say that electrons (moving in coil) should "see" charges deposited on outer plate and thus a relative motion between them must cause magnetic field to "appear" around non inductive coil so its no loger non inductive and when current stops flowing this field collapses so self induction can occur.

I'm still trying to achieve that and nothing so far, if this would work than we would have a OU as hell!

[Jack Noskills]

stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.

Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb's law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven't looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.

When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.

All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.

Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.

[web000x]

stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.

Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb's law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven't looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.

When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.

All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.

Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.

Hey Jacknoskills,


Would it be possible for you to make a video showing some of the novel effects you've observed?


I have tried this with a few different trifiar coils and a bifilar pancake coil with an equal copper weight primary.  All of the tests I ran seemed rather conventional in their outcomes.  Maybe you can shed better light on the effects you're actually seeing.


Thanks,


Dave

[sm0ky2]

The 'dual-helix' wiring form is the method used in communications
Cat-schedule Ethernet, phone wires etc.


Often called "twisted pair".


It's not the same as standard bifilar windings that lie flat side by side
The wires are actually twisted together first
Then coiled


Rather than cutting one at the center,
You wrap a second pair and move the 'center' to one of the ends
Based on how you connect the 4 wire ends.
This is a simple convenience.
The idea is that the secondary starts halfway down the primary.
And makes it easier to coil them without screwing with the turns/m


GDT's might not be as efficient as VDT's,
But if what he's saying is true, that's trivial.
The same should be possible with an adjustable spark gap in air.


And if this works, we don't need mains, and an inverter.
We could just spark this from a piezo-clicker
And it should keep sparking right?


So we have a center-tapped twisted-pair coil on a toroid inductor
4 ends. Call them coil 1 and coil 2
And we'll say that they each have a 'beginning and an end'
And they are on the same ends, meaning we follow them in the same direction


So the beginning of coil one (primary) goes through a spark gap and to the input of the load.
The end of coil 1 goes to a capacitor
the beginning of coil 2 (180-degrees around the toroid) goes to the other end of the load.
And the end of coil 2 goes to the capacitor.


Piezo spark is sent across capacitor
Connect a wire lead to each of the two wires of the piezo clicker
And click it on or close to the cap.


Adjust the spark gap and continue until the voltage across the spark
matches the capacitor value (for the coil capacitor)
that is in resonance with the other capacitor's side of the loop.

[PolaczekCebulaczek]

I'm still fighting with genesis contraption, I will try to use non inductive bifilar coax cable coil where outer layer is the charged plate connected to HV source,(the inner wire is where current goes of pulsed 500v) this plate needs a lot of charge density so my question is ; what is the best HV circuit to electrostatically charge a metal object? flyback is quite week for making open circuit sparks, I need to pump out as much electrons from piece of metal as possible.