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Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form

Started by sm0ky2, February 24, 2017, 11:16:20 AM

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Zephir

I indeed know about magnetic hysteresis, but this is not what the Leedskalnin's effect is about, as it works even with extremely soft magnetic materials without any residual ferromagnetism, like the ferrite cores.
Ledskalnin's effect is just about mimicking of remanence effect with external coil. You didn't understand the subject, sorry.

pix


Quote from: Zephir on April 05, 2017, 06:10:23 AM
I indeed know about magnetic hysteresis, but this is not what the Leedskalnin's effect is about, as it works even with extremely soft magnetic materials without any residual ferromagnetism, like the ferrite cores.
Ledskalnin's effect is just about mimicking of remanence effect with external coil. You didn't understand the subject, sorry.


I do understand perfectly.
Every magnetic material has residual magnetic properties, some more, some less.
You did stated that to manifest Leedskalnin effect coil has to be closed- and I showed that it is not true.
Magnetic residual field is inherent to all magnetic materials, and as long as you keep magnetic loop closed after magnetization- it stays there. To eliminate this residual magnetization some energy must be used to create opposite direction magnetic field to cancel residual magnetization. How much magnetic energy has to be used- you can see looking at hysteresis loop of given material.
It is called "Degaussing". And it is that energy lost in power AC transformers.
Sorry, no mystery here.

tinman

Quote from: pix on April 05, 2017, 06:25:51 AM

I do understand perfectly.
Every magnetic material has residual magnetic properties, some more, some less.
You did stated that to manifest Leedskalnin effect coil has to be closed- and I showed that it is not true.
Magnetic residual field is inherent to all magnetic materials, and as long as you keep magnetic loop closed after magnetization- it stays there. To eliminate this residual magnetization some energy must be used to create opposite direction magnetic field to cancel residual magnetization. How much magnetic energy has to be used- you can see looking at hysteresis loop of given material.
It is called "Degaussing". And it is that energy lost in power AC transformers.
Sorry, no mystery here.

That is not correct.
The PMH effect is not due to residual magnetization,as once the loop is broken,there is no need to degause the magnetic material.
This can be seen when using a ferrite core-no residual magnetization remains once the loop is broken.

Try finding the north and south end of this !residual! field,in the looped PMH.


Brad

pix


Quote from: tinman on April 05, 2017, 07:01:18 AM
That is not correct.
The PMH effect is not due to residual magnetization,as once the loop is broken,there is no need to degause the magnetic material.
This can be seen when using a ferrite core-no residual magnetization remains once the loop is broken.

Try finding the north and south end of this !residual! field,in the looped PMH.


Brad
This depends from magnetic material. Some soft steels keeps residual magnetic properties , like nails magnetized by strong neodymium magnet.
In the case of soft steel, as long as magnetic loop stays  closed steel domains stays aligned , once loop is broken ( energy is used) residual magnetism no longer exists because for domains less energetic state is when they are misaligned.
Anyway, if You still like to search for "free energy Holy Grail" in Ed Leedskalnins "magnet" feel feree :-)

Doug1

Ed did not use ferite materials. The PMH is not about residual fields. It can be used to clarify a number of theories and used as tool or device for observations. Building one is a ok project but you can also use the electric break section from a wheel chair motor. I had one stayed charge for a number of years even thought i lost it or threw it away at one point but it turned up in a small decorative wicker basket. I think it was sitting for about 5 yrs. I flashed it with a 12 volt battery and left it . Inside the break is a hefty spring that will push the keeper away if the magnet is turned off. When I broke the connection of the wires the keeper flew off and bounced off a wall.
  It really just locks the flux into an endless loop so long as the wires are connected the same way an endless loop. Break the wire connection and the field collapses. I would venture a guess if you were able to break the keeper away and you were prepared for it as a test you could measure a temperature rise in the coil if it was kept connected when the keeper is forced apart. It proves if a magnetic field is given a path that is a continuous loop and if the flux was created with a current that is looped they will continue indefinitely. It's all about closed loops, ya know that thing that eludes so many. The impossible non existing possibility that there might be something more then a beginning and end to everything. Everything is born and everything dies. So where did it come from and where did it go? Poof in and poof out I guess.