A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[ramset]

Gentlemen
and maybe one lady ??[not sure no offence]

Here we have a community of many builders and researches ,a Global community ,we always have excitement and all manner of Diverse opinions.

member Zephir has not fallen short in the excitement /confrontation department.... it is good to have opinions.

Honestly I remember  Zephir's first post here and was razzeled and dazzeled
Impressed with his seeming knowledge base and seeming experience.

However we have this type of knowledge all around us at every moment

swimming in every Google search,
 
  I also agree with many comments he has made here, but the criminal Mafia suppression and interrupting every thread because its all worthless and just attempts to  suppress "simple OU "

maybe Zephir can take a moment from his busy schedule here running from thread to thread with a "foul flag" and banning everyone he see's fit ?
to explain why he feels he is qualified to moderate a thread here?

I don't think Stefan has ever made a man here a moderator who did not experiment in the media under discussion?

why would he ?
a theory thread? who needs more theories[unproven by empirical study

Zephir has never shared with members here his plan for this thread [moderated board] ,yet he feels very comfortable completely disregarding TOS and calling persons  here Criminals.. who hide OU... and scientists who work every day and know how to share OU but refuse and make believe
it does not exsist
that would be criminal indeed ..but it sounds odd to me, can he support these claims that many members here are such criminals?? [moderators mentioned too]

so Zephir are you going to share a build here of this OU is Simple"

let us Practice Brutal honesty?

respectfully
Chet K

[Zephir]

disregarding TOS and calling persons  here Criminals

On the contrary - it was you who called me a criminal - you have it completely opposite ...:-) Under such a twisting of facts the further discussion with you is indeed nonsensical, meaningless and as such impossible... In addition such a personalia are off topic at overunity forum.

theory thread? who needs more theories unproven by empirical study

If you don't know how to construct overunity device, every theory may be useful. The probability, you'll construct an overunity device without theory and understanding what you're actually doing is equal zero. My theories are supported with number of published studies and my attitude to theory is also solely practical: no useless math and abstract stuffs.

The overunity forum performs badly in latest years: not only it's not even able to follow the existing progress in overunity research, but some its members ridicule its achievements and they're drowning in frog&mice battles and trivial demonstrations of classical physics with no deeper clue. The new board could change it, but it requires to be moderated at scientific basis and kept away from all these trolls. Only time will tell us, if this strategy has chance to success.

[ramset]

Zephir

you understand when you call a man a liar or suppressor of the truth on a public forum
[which you do several times a day here ]
that is called libel?
and it is a crime?

please explain how me calling your actions criminal [your cited libels]
is not true in your mind?
I am honestly at a complete loss ?

and today you called }"Grumage the pure" a mafia [criminal] henchmen of this forum
filled with suppressors of OU..

which part of that is not Libel ? and a crime here??

do they not have Libel laws in your country ?

they do here at this forum...

perhaps you make your case here for the OU is easy claim[request number 27 for this]

disregard my worthless and ignorant presence and speak to the members here about your Plans

??

yes lets keep to the topic
Zephir
quote
"OU is easy"
end quote

yes lets stay on topic...
are you going to Build ?
or point and demand others build your fancy?

[h20power]

Interesting read but to be honest I have no idea what you are talking about for I don't follow anyone for none as far as I know understand this water for fuel technology other than myself right now and I'm not in the talking mood these days. As far as I am concerned I have shared all I am willing to share with everyone and all that I have shared for the most part has been rejected by the group as a whole.


I have seen many people rise up and fall claiming to be some sort of God in their own right and feel this person you speak of is just one of those Trump type of people whom are very narcissistic. If given the power to be as mean as one can be to people they will take flight with it and love it as this type of power trip suits their personalities perfectly. Sorry you had to go through this but remember how I was treated on many forums when all I wanted people to do was to do their own work so we could all learn together making use of the scientific method in trying to uncover just how this technology actually worked. I was told to take my scientific method, as if I had created it, and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. So, I had to go it alone for the most part and truly understand that Open Source is a joke from a inside perspective. I have been marginalized and pushed off to the side for as I was forced to go it alone I started keeping what I learned to myself also as why share anything with people that only wanted to tell me I was full of BS?


I learn back then that no one truly wants the truth. Nope, what they want is someone to give them this technology on a silver platter and even pay for the shipping to an address of their choice. Many times did I try and get people to make use of the scientific method which demands that real world experiments be done and the idea be completely rejected. I just read on the RWG site something that I find completely puzzling by NAV in saying that no one has ever achieved high voltage being applied to a water bath before when I had clearly shown the whole world in the 2013 Global BEM someone doing just that. I went on to keep improving my results putting higher and higher voltages to the water bath over time going from 4.2kv to 8.8kv from which point I stopped sharing my results with the group as all that was being done from me doing so was getting people upset at me due to envy and jealously of the results I was getting. To the best of my knowledge no one has even come close to the results I shared back at the 2013 Global BEM let alone the improvements I managed to make through much research and actual hands on real world experiments. So, from my perspective all of these forums are just a joke. No one actually wants to do much of anything in the way of the scientific method nor are they willing to actually work together for fear of not being the one whom solved the technology on their own thus having to share the glory with others which was something most I have run into simply do not want to do.


Nothing any of you can say to me right now will change my mind on what I have experienced with my whole eyes when it comes to dealing with those that actually join these Open Source forums. Interestingly now Nav is getting ready to call it quits as none of his work is yielding any fruit nor is the work of Ron from which was shared on the RWG whom basically told everyone that I was heading down the wrong path and thus should not be followed. Now all of these sites that I have been banned from are basically giving up or finding themselves running around in circles and to read that Nav say that no one has ever managed to put a high voltage to a water bath is just another slap in the face to me as I did it and it's clear my efforts are to be completely ignored and written off as a fluke or even a fraud as I have heard that name tossed around about me too.


What I found out in being tossed from all of these Open Source forums that works for the positive is it allowed me to really focus on my efforts to solve this technology without many distractions. But since I do things the hard way and funds are limited my work goes slowly at times. My last round of testing yielded 9.4kv being applied to the exciter array and in order to get any higher I had to completely redesign the VIC transformer which I am in the process of doing right now. But I have completely given up on these Open Source forums as most will just go out of their way to block this technology from coming out if they aren't allowed to make a buck from it or if they find that they have to pay someone for it. After talking with a few people I trust I we all have come to realized that we were simply in the wrong place for this technology to thrive. Most that I have run into in these forums have no idea how the markets work and even when the concept of how the markets work is explained to them refuse to support this technology going into a limited form of mass production. Nope they desire for people to pay the maximum price for this technology and all to work as individuals with little to no concern for their fellow man. They get real mad at me for refusing to share what I know through much hard work with them for free. I tell them about the need for this technology to go into a limited form of mass production so that the prices for this technology can be reduced and all they can see is their own personal needs and the rest of the world be dammed.


Right now this technology needs supporters but I seriously doubt I will find even a handful of people in this or any other Open Source forum to get behind this technology in its true time of need as all are out for self in forums like these. Too many egos, too many opinions that come from people that simply refuse to put their thoughts to the test experimentally as lets be honest it's a lot of hard work and it's really expensive to do things the right way. I don't even know how many thousands of dollars I have spent just so I could build and test my experiments with a high degree of accuracy. But if I had to give it a dollar value perhaps around $30k or more and people want me to just hand over my research to them while they stab me repeatedly in my back, not! I extended my hand to everyone while I was starting out so that we could all learn this technology together but that offer was rejected.

[ramset]

Ed
yes you have been around the block in open source forums ,to hell and back.

I truly hope you have success in finding support "where there is a will there is a way"

here we have a man posting as I type this in another thread who is unaware [or is he??] of the retraction on Peter Graneau's  claims ?

his new thread here http://overunity.com/17231/energy-from-water-arc-explosions/msg504073/#new

Graneau's Claims retracted here   https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg77959.html

well lets see what he says ? I don't want to soil his topic [which I have great interest in].

respectfully
Chet K