A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[pomodoro]

Dear h2O, thanks for your clear explanation and honest words. I very much wish you success in this replication as you have clearly done a lot of work on it.  I've already mentioned how it is impossible thermodynamically to split water into both gases by any means, even by your proposed ionization method or any yet undiscovered means.  Its due to the first law of thermodynamics and is manifested in chemistry as Hess's law.  Sometimes I feel like a prick saying all of this, you know, when somebody has done all of the work and some jerk has to thow a comment like this in, but that is what could be your OU obstacle. On the positive side, you do have a chance of greater than 100% efficiency if there are no losses in the new electrolysis process because of the entropy gain. But here you need to fight the losses in your electronics.  Anyway, you know all this, so no more negatives from me, and the best of luck as you might find something new , who knows!

[h20power]

Dear h20power.

May I ask a simple question?

I spent nigh on 2 decades with the supply industry (UK) involved with HV distribution. Our voltages were 33 and 11 KV.

Is it the frequencies that are causing your problems? All our transformers and switchgear worked faultlessly using Transformer oil as an insulant, obviously at 50 HZ.

Kind regards, Graham.

Hi Graham,


For the most part I think its due to the secondary being an isolated circuit for it's actively seeking a ground and will often arc from the chokes to the primary or pickup coil. I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore for this tech I will be using a resin for the next bit of testing. Water doesn't like being charged to these high voltages and like a thunderstorm will send a lightening strike to a ground source so great care must be taken to prevent this from happening. With the last test I ran a diode shorted out and the transformer was just fine. But again I personally think it's due to the secondary side of the transformer is an isolated circuit and perhaps I need to learn to build the transformers a bit better. I'm doing the best I can with what I have on hand and like I said I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore as the voltages are just too high for it now.


For Dog-One, if you remember I had 12 capacitors wired in series at the 2013 Global BEM. I have already ran test like those before and noted the physical part of the voltage intensifier circuit as a whole. Look at the exciter array as a load being placed on the transformer. If you increase the load on the transformer the voltage will go down and if you decrease the load the voltage will go up. But there is another relationship that one must consider in that the coils capacitance must always be higher than the capacitance of the exciter array. Each cell taken out of the series array will increase the load being placed on the transformer and increase the cells capacitance. If the capacitance of the cell is higher than that of the coils then it will not charge up very well if at all. Most of this I did by pure trial and error with no calculating much of anything. I'd observe what took place when changes where made and would always move towards the results that gave higher voltages to the system as a whole.


Remember what Meyer said about increasing the length of the chokes increases the amount of voltage being applied to the exciter array. You must understand this relationship to be able to design the transformers better as you move along bettering your results. Like I said I have a lot of failures from which to draw information from. These transformers are very hard to understand as there is far more things that can change the resonant frequency or load capability of the transformer. The capacitance is a physical property of the area of the coils verse the area of the cells and their relationship to one another being wired in series. Meyer also states in the patents that the reactive XL must always be higher than the XC. These are relationships we need to learn by hart as they are the core part of learning how to go about designing the transformers correctly.


And just so everyone understands when I say I placed 9.4kv potential difference on the exciter array it means 4.7kv positive and 4.7kv negative voltage ±20 volts with normally 20 volts more positive than negative voltage. In the pdf file I go over just how the waveform is supposed to look like and why it is supposed to look that way. I feel its the greatest gift I have ever given to the Open Source community but like is said before it's like I handed Open Source some garbage to be placed in the trash from how everyone treats the information given in those two pdf files. I show just where in the patents I got the information from and show the science behind the technology with not just one example but two different examples of nature breaking the bonds of the water molecules in the exact same manor as many others did to include Meyer with this water for fuel technology. Basically I filled in the blanks Meyer left out in his many lectures on this technology.
The problem is people that didn't read much of anything and just rushed to look at the photos. For if you pulse it incorrectly you can make it have just positive voltage but if you are also taking current readings going through the cell you will notice that the more even the positive and negative voltages are the lower the amps will be flowing through the water bath.
Max Miller and I got into some very heated arguments on this topic as well as some of Ronnie's people but Max would hide most of his results by not taking any temperature readings of the cell over time or any amp reading of the actually amperage that was flowing through the cell. If the cell starts to heat up there is amps flowing through the water bath. I even ran a comparison of our two waveforms, which were the same despite they didn't look the same, to show what happens when the load is too great for the transformer to handle as Max had just two resonant cavities hooked up in series and I had 10 hooked up in series. Other than that our setups were practically the same. But in spite of all that people would tell me that our waveforms were nothing alike which to me didn't make any sense as how could we have different waveforms if we had our setups hooked up the exact same way?


Anyway every time I was compared to one of those people the vast majority would side with them over me. It was back then I knew people simply were not reading the patents or performing any of their own experiments. Every time I'd show just where in the patent it stated I was correct in what I was saying or doing they would still side with people doing things all wrong. So I did a bit of self evaluation and determined it was more than likely due to me being a black man for it's really no different when looking at how people hated Obama for going golfing but have no problem with Trump doing the same thing. So slowly but surely I backed out of Open Source altogether.

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Water is anomaly - check chemistry. Correcting this anomaly  brings water to the "correct" gaseous form at natural state (at 20 degrees,normal pressure) . That's all about it. Somebody called it HHO.
Look for inventor Eleazar Veneracion from Phillipines (I think so)

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[ARMCORTEX]

My research for Meyers was deeper than both you and Max, conclusion: Likely it was misrepresented and is it worth following the brother of misrepresented? I was gonna finish the circuit and offer it as a board 500$ a pop for a stable amplifier to investigate the claim of resonant electrolysis. My theory is that financing by the people is my right, your money would be better placed if you let me do the experimentations, naturally it was a hard sell since it was heard to convince people that Stan was probably confused and it his brother said so in the interview.. Unfortunately, I had bothersome wannabees on the other side trying to sabotage my economics due to me selling wire before that. You idiots were in my way on that road that lead nowhere, bothersome H2Opower's and the like claiming to be onto something... I needed at least 2000$ to build the cell exactly how I wanted + other things, audio transformers with wide bandwidth. And then I would have attempted a proper Stephen Meyers replication, and fully taking into account everything.

He camouflaged normal electrolysis in high voltage high resistance system but in the end all is just normal electrolysis

His sytem work with regular slightly impure water and causes less heat, but less gas, its just a trick of wording and he sold ALOT.

So you are just on square 1 still, and what happened to the "gas processor", you never even touched it lol. Still you got that picture I saw 7 years ago. At least that would have made sense if you explored things on this avenue ala Herman Anderson but it seems nothing happens when you spend 30k on research with Bank's money. I would never invest in a dummy like you, you have no plan whatsoever on how to complete a single component.

You are too slow and you wasted too much time. Nobody is ever gonna listen to you, I would have banned you immediatly, you are not the man in charge, anything you say amounts to being wrong as it regards to efficient electrolysis of water.

I rather listen my Cat's view on Stanley Meyers than you "explaining how it works". It dont work, its fraud...