THE RANT ROOM

[Vortex1]

The problem with forums is that by their very nature and setup they are not designed to create a structured and managed approach to research and development.

One of my roles during my working life was as a director of research and development.

In that role it was necessary to identify new ideas that might be deemed worthy of research, narrow the list to what the budget could support and allocate the manpower according to the skills that were required to investigate the task, provide equipment and ancillary needs etc. and see the projects through to sometimes successful conclusions. There was much more in terms of managing the process, but those brief few sentences was most of it.

On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side.

Everyone likes to have a place (like Cheers) where they can go and toss ideas around and see if it gets approval or not.

It is important to see it for what it is. Will there ever be a structured and progressive approach to research and development on forums? It could happen but I doubt it. It's just not in the nature of the beast.

Once in a while maybe luck will shine and a few good minds will collaborate and come up with some novel idea and develop it to the product level , but how often has anyone seen that in the history of forums for FE?

One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Nowhere could I find in the definition of forums anything that included the research and development part of the process.

Forums can be a good collaborative tool with the right mix of minds. But that's just the starting point, maybe the 1% inspiration part, then needed is the 99% perspiration part.

It's important not to lose our sense of humor or take things too seriously. If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.

[Dog-One]

One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Public being the key word here.  If this were a private forum (all members must be
registered and logged in to see its content), things could be quite different and many
of the rules Stefan has to follow would vanish.

I'm a software guy and as such know that you make software to be a tool appropriate
for its use.  SMF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here.
It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.  It's a place where
ideas can just pop in practically anonymous.  The majority of these ideas could be
easily dismissed, but somewhere in the minority is an idea that needs attention by
as many people that have the time and resources to pursue it.

What I'd like to see someone do someday is to develop a piece of software specifically
for the focus we have here.  Somewhat like a wiki with a front-end think tank.  Breakout
sessions could be automatically created and linked back to initial think tank comments.
This software should be able to fully support all media forms:  text, images, videos, CAD
and other simulation types.  The media would be stored on the supporting server
eliminating the need for youtube, falstad and such.  When a breakout session becomes
stale, it is locked and queries sent out to the contributors for any new information.
This software could have a project status dashboard for members to check on progress
or new projects.  The think tank section could have an interactive whiteboard with
circuit & mechanical drawing capabilities that is recorded and can be later edited and/or
referenced within the breakout sessions.  Project breakouts could be setup by invitation
so that functional teams that work well together, can do their thing in peace.  Maybe
include a sidebar for non-team members to make objective comments.

Make no mistake, if I had the time and patience to write and host such a software
package, I would have done it already, because it is sorely needed.

If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.

Well said.

[Zephir]

If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper

Well, in similar way like the bucket of water, it could splash out the standing layer of old dirt floating at its surface (and occasionally bring a new fresh dirt into it).. Just take it in this way: there are many privately moderated boards already, I'm just one of many moderators here, no exception.  If you don't want to visit this particular board, then there are many others, with threads cluttered with OT discussion already. Why not to have at least one regularly cleaned and sorted out board just for comparison?

IMO it wouldn't violate freedom of any readers here.

MF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here. It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.

Vortex1, Dog-One: I can only agree with everything what you said about this forum. New ideas are perfect, but once they emerge, they should get their dedicated place so that they wouldn't clutter the discussion about already existing ideas. Or the same principle which motivates the forum thinkers here would also lead into their gradual unmotivation *). A branched, multithreaded character of this forum would be therefore desirable. Something like the reddit already has - but with possibility for every long sub-thread to bubble up and to gain top position. Or to gradually lose it at the case of lost of attention. I mean an evolutionary tree of ideas spontaneously and dynamically formed with minimal intervention of administrators.

*) This is fundamental principle of emergence in dense aether model: every change or effect which promotes some phenomena also leads into its scattering and decay in a sufficiently wider (and also smaller) perspective. Every rule or truth has its upsides and also downsides and the scope of its validity remains limited in scope of time and space, no matter how large. A geometric basis of Goedel's incompleteness theorem, so to say. After all, my motivation in overunity research is just based on the belief in opposite side of causality.

[nelsonrochaa]

"On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side."

Yes i Agree that happens and persons like you seems have a special way to confront people, If not let us see ...

"NR made the comment "why it be bothering you"?

Actually I think a) it muddies the waters of energy research b) it accrues bad karma to the person who engages in that activity. Think of all the young wide eyed impressionable folk that try to build devices that don't deliver as advertised. All their frustration goes onto their wife, kids, dog, turtle ,goldfish etc,  then out into the universe only to return and land on the doorstep of the perpetrator. One way or another. "what goes around comes around".  never liked that saying.

I think we have a responsibility as scientific minded experimenters to be truthful in our affairs and not waste other peoples time or soon we accrue the (negative)karma."

Is not more easy to you say directly why you write such observations in other forum where persons can  answer to you ? 
That seems nice to you ?   I can "smell" a very bad karma in you , should i feel responsible by that ?

Or you prefer make jokes like :
"Look at that waveform! berserk mode is obviously the key to OU. Think my new motto will be:
I'm going "berserk"  "


"You lead with a very good question. After reviewing a few of NR's videos and getting totally bored I'm thinking of bowing out before I bow in too far, but will probably get kicked out for that comment.

I'm sure you've seen it all and are quite tired of the "radiant" claims as am I."

And even that you continue here and in other forums talk about me and my work?
Are you wasting your precious time make redraws of diagrams to what ? Are you contribute to "cheat" the persons  with my lies ? Regrettable such behavior.

Do not be a lamb in wolfskin , you have already age to To behave like a grown person and confront persons in right way .

What a good example of integrity and moral you have  to judge the others  .


Nelson Rocha

[hartiberlin]

I got quite a few complains about user Zephir
and I removed his moderator status now and put him on moderation and will only let pass
his messages, if there are no flaming statements included...

Sorry to all, I am pretty busy with another project, so I don´t have much time to
read the forum in this moment.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)