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[NickZ]

  All well and good, if you assume that mass creates energy. Which it can do of course.And we don't realise, that mass was created from energy.   The chicken, or the egg.   No energy no mass.
If you only see one side of the story. Might as well believe in your big bang theory.
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[EMJunkie]

  All well and good, if you assume that mass creates energy. Which it can do of course.And we don't realise, that mass was created from energy.   The chicken, or the egg.   No energy no mass.
If you only see one side of the story. Might as well believe in your big bang theory.
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I think you should rethink this, make a bit more effort to link the Mass Energy Equivalence concepts. What you're saying is not correct and true, essentially.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

[lancaIV]

#164 : "rest energy" and not "rest mass" !

About the use from Newtonian laws there is a disput by kanarev and his new dynamics related "  Kanarev law" .
Interesting his argumentation and as demonstration object  :  the Linevich-inertia transmission engine


Sincerely
OCWL

[EMJunkie]

That electrons are not particles in the sense that a chip of ice is a
particle of the block from which it was chipped, is... well....  elementary. 

Smile.

One can have an idea and find that future events are predictable by use
of that idea.

The more an idea is of a macro world event (Newtonian) then also, the more
there is predictability of results.

One can have a non moving electron in theory only. 

One can have electrons, the (Newtonian) relative motion (in a parallel vector)
of which is zero.

That kind of motionlessness is possible.
   i.e.
Move a wire coil past a magnet and the electrons in the coil are in motion relative
to the magnet and a voltage develops in the coil.

Move the magnet along with wire coil and the in the same direction and no voltage
develops.
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An electron exerts a force around itself, which is termed as magnetic. That force is
not uniform in all directions around the electron.
That force is di-polar (N S).

This force is described as being a product of a kind of motion of the electro
(as if the electron were spinning upon an axis).  This can be problematic, given that
conventional description of the electron gives it, a diameter / volume / so on, as zero.
Hence quantized values.
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An electron exerts a force around itself, which is termed as electric (negative charge). 
A given two electrons will repel by this force.
Unlike the magnetic force surrounding an electron, the electric force distributes
uniformly in all directions around the electron (unless it is affected by an external force). 
That electric force decreases with distance, as the inverse of the square of the distance.
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An electron within an atom has an orbiting motion around the nucleus of that atom.
That motion gives rise to a magnetic force which is related to but also distinctive from
the force arising due to the other two kind of motion (describe above).  It also gives rise to magnetic force.
.......

The mass of an object can be determined by applying a force of known value to that
object and  measuring the change in the object's speed.

Similarly, mas can be determined by observing the change in direction of motion of an
object in response to an applied force.

Electrons behave as if / demonstrate that they have mass !

In reference to the "rest mass" of an electron. 
Does that rest mass arise due to its spin ? 
Is an electron itself, a kind of standing wave ?
If so, a wave within what medium ?
Is that wave a vortex / closed ended and helical ?

What ever....  quantised or other wize, use the description that is best applied to
your approach experimentally and then use the other !

                      Smile
                         Again
                              Floor

Nice post Floor! A lot of sensible info in there!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

[NickZ]

  EMJ: Just keep believing that all you want. I am not trying to get energy from matter. Remember. Maybe you are.
Did all the matter just explde into being by itself, from nothing in one big bang?  I look for the cause of causes. Or does your OU device still burns matter as it's source, as well?