Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)

[TinselKoala]

Here is where we are at the moment, in my opinion.

Tanju's electrical measurements using his wattmeter with LED and resistive loads have shown that the electrical output is less than the electrical input by a fairly large margin.

I think we have shown that the "650 watts" flywheel output figure is a conceptual error and cannot be included in the true output of the apparatus. I am pleased to encourage further discussion on this matter, but as it stands now there is no evidence or theoretical justification for excess _continuous_ power available from the flywheel.

So what we have left is the subjective impression of excess light output and reduced temperature rise from the LEDs.

I would like to see some side-by-side comparisons, using instrumental means if possible, of the brightness of the LEDs with the same _current_ flowing through them, in the first case provided by the Tanju apparatus, and in the second case provided by a DC power supply and whatever current-limiting inline resistance is necessary to achieve exactly the same measured current.

The current can be easily measured by looking at the voltage drop across a 1-ohm series resistance, preferably using the oscilloscope, or even a good DMM if we are satisfied that the LED is not being pulsed.  Using an LDR for the light output measurement may be roughly acceptable if done properly, but it would be better to use a phototransistor sensing element as used in real lightmeters, or even the TSL2561 sensor (multiple PTs with different spectral responses) with the appropriate transfer function programmed into the Arduino.

The best comparison would be made using the same physical LED unit and current-viewing resistor under both conditions, to control for possible variations in the LEDs themselves. Concurrent temperature measurements would be "icing on the cake".

As others have mentioned, subjective "eyeball" brilliance impressions can be very deceiving. Sometimes it takes an actual doubling of true illuminance before the eye can detect any difference. The only way to really settle this issue is by instrumental means, with proper controls.

[MenofFather]

Agree with TinsenKola.
I think, this divice have no ovrunity. Overunity must be esily meshured with osciloscope or with ampermeter and voltmeter on input and output. Or he must same led lamp shine from socket and it must shine at same brightnes like his LED. Then he  can say, that they LEDs shine at nominal, full brightness and power. After capasitor on output, he can add resistor and after resistor add new capasitor to get smooth current and then on that resistor can meshure curent. For example can use 1 omh resistor. So one volts on resistor means one ampere. Wery easily! I not see that is probllems corect meashure current on output?

[Tanju]

Overunity or not,
This is my garden at night,
For only 75 watt.

Goodbye everyone and thanks for all contribution.
Tanju

[gotoluc]

Agree with TinsenKola.
I think, this divice have no ovrunity. Overunity must be esily meshured with osciloscope or with ampermeter and voltmeter on input and output. Or he must same led lamp shine from socket and it must shine at same brightnes like his LED. Then he  can say, that they LEDs shine at nominal, full brightness and power. After capasitor on output, he can add resistor and after resistor add new capasitor to get smooth current and then on that resistor can meshure curent. For example can use 1 omh resistor. So one volts on resistor means one ampere. Wery easily! I not see that is probllems corect meashure current on output?

Okay gentlemen!
We are not going to start bashing what Tanju has shared because he's taking some time off or decides to never come back.
Remember, this site is a place to investigate Overunity... so, should we not hold up to the name and investigate in a respectful way?
There's no need to be bold and impolite while trying to convey information. All that does is push people away as you see and have seen for many years.
Do we not have something to learn here with our communications skills?
The only perpetual energy going around here is the I know better time and again.

Food for thought: if we can't improved our energy solution, maybe we can improve ourselves?

Kind regards
Luc

[forest]

Again. If this is cold current or RF or radiant energy or whatever you call it - then those leds would light when connected to the device using 0.20 mm diameter copper wire.No heat.No damage to the wire. Would be a good starting point to check it.As you wish.