Any one tried to use Adams idea to get over sticky spot?

[Craigy]

Hi Omnibus, Peter, Clanzer and all.

I think Clanzers efforts are worth while, he may not get enough power but that is why i started the thread. We must unfortunately go through all ideas one by one till we hit the jackpot. ( nice work on your page clanzer).
Going off topic a little, Omnibus mentioned the Torbay, which i have been struggling with for the last 2 months. I think it was mentioned to Clanzer a few months ago that hard disk drives are a good source of shielding material. So 3 gutted hard drives later i have a little shielding material.
To quote Omnbus
" The problem with the Torbay motor seems different from @Merv's but in fact is exactly the same -- the system cannot generate enough push to overcome its internal obstacles and relies on external power sources to function. Torbay motor has to be so constructed that the created torque is enough to lift the next magnet and depress the trailing one, allowing the rotor to turn. So far, apparently no one has been able to achieve this. Indeed, everyone who has tried has observed generation of torque. That torque, however, has always been way insufficient to overcome the said obstacles. I still think that it's a matter of construction and if one has the chance to optimize it properly it may reach a moment whereby the created torque will be enough to overcome the hindrances"
Tonight i got my rotor to move by placing the shielding in front of the Stators.
I will have to post a video, it will be very crude but i hope it will be able to show on camera that the concept has hope of working. 2 or 3mm of shield affects the stators field enough to create the gap in that field that the torbay requires to work. My conclusion is. Fix all stators and attempt the moving of the shield via a linear bearing. Forget all Those stators clanking up and down and top hats with ramps.

Next question is how much force do you need to move the shield? Let me just say i am optimistic, ( i always am at the begining of a project LOL)

I will move the shields with a couple of servos to start with, since that will take us nicely back on topic to Clanzers efforts trying to store enough power on 180 or 270 degrees of rotation to feed back at top dead centre. LOL

Craig

[Omnibus]

@Craigy,

This shielding material is truly amazing. I could never find out what exactly it is and where it can be purchased from. I've tried various other permalloy (mumetal) sheets but none of them was as efficient as this one, from within the hard drive.

Mind you also that technically the idea with the shielding of the magnet is a different idea from that of the Torbay motor (although, ultimately all these ideas may be boiled down to the same principle). It has been around for quite some time but to no avail. I'm curious what your experience with it will be.

My understanding is that if the concept is sound (as it seems to be judging from the SMOT) one should be able to construct sucessfully self-sustaining machines of various constructions. It's only a matter of a proper optimization which is not at all an easy practical task.

[Merv]

just wondering is anyone working on Firsruds principle Getting a ball moving in straight line or circle. Using a induced magnatic field in the area or in the two rails. From mains power to start with? Peters efforts show movement is possible in a magnetic field. I like to work with 110% . Get it working at any cost then Fine tune and work in reverse. That a result if a device worked with 101% thats very close. Sorry my device proved dissapointing to some of you. Look at the new ideas it produced. And free lights UK sold some extra bike generators. Good result all round don't you think

[joe]

Hi Craigy,

About the Hard disk drives shielding, can you show a picture of the part you are using as shielding?

Thanks    Joe

[CLaNZeR]

Hi Craigy

I have still not got round to stripping down some hard drives, have only got 3.5" ones here, and someone said the old 5.25" were bigger bits as such.

What drives did you pull them from and as Joe says, be great to see some pictures.

Should have my diodes and Caps arrive tomorrow, so will rig them up and see how many spins on the wheel take to get enough charge in that Cap.

Still working on the theory that after so many spins of the wheel the charge will be enough in the capacitor to supply enough energy to pulse a Electromagnet.

If it takes say 10 revolutions of the wheel to get this charge then I am hoping that the pulse delivered to the electro magnet will pulse the magnets enough to get another 10 spins etc etc.

I am going to use a embedded controller (Microchip Pic) to read the reed switches and count the revolutions and also trigger the load from the Capacitor to the Electromagnet.
This should get the timing down to a T and also I have had Pic Chips running off a very small voltage as low as 1.0 volt, as long as the clock speed is not too fast.
So hoping the extra circuit will not pull too much load.

Another option I want to try is using my Rig with the Arm, as in testing by hand I only have to move it a few mm's to clear the sticky spot and maybe, just maybe I can generate enough power to pull that arm out of the sticky point again using a Electromagnet. I think this will need a bigger wheeel though to get enough charge from the small coil as this would have to happen once every revolution.
Or as Craigy says, to maybe move a bit of shielding back and forth to get over the sticky point.

What is different I feel with this experiment is that there are plenty of designs around that have tried to charge a Cap by using a coil and storing the pulses, but using the Freelights coil it brings another element into play, you are exciting a magnet inside a coil and the drag is not that bad and also the tumbling of the magnet in that coil seems to produce more than just a coil having a magnet passed over it.
Gravity helps as you can hear the magnet inside the sealed box tumble back down and create a few valuable pulses after the magnets have passed.

Will let you know.

Regards

Sean.