12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[tagor]

So that vid isn't showing a self-sustaining device but something which powers externally whatever you call a "Bedinin coil", right? The goal, however, is to build a self-sustaining device, nothing short of it. The double pendulums in their different renditions (Milkovic, Dmitriyev etc.) are OU devices. Where is the self-sustaining system based on these devices, though?

with 12 times more output than input, it is so easy to loop this device !!

tomorrow we get the video ...

[Merg]

Here is the video

Return To Gravity Assisted Power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1n-C5o8fZ0

[Omnibus]

Here is the video

Return To Gravity Assisted Power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1n-C5o8fZ0

Speaking of an impressive build ... Can only be rivaled by Aldo Costa's and similarly to the slightly less impressive Bob Kostoff's gravity machine uses compressed air. Why is it an OU machine, however? Any otput/input energy figures available?

[fletcher]

Yeah, that's the usual speculation but it can't explain away the production of excess energy in gravity wheels such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ02MjqBk7s&feature=youtube_gdata_player , self-sustaining or not.

No .. in that video the guy is hand positioning the imbalance [as Vidar said] & in doing so has lifted the Pe of the pendulum so that it sits high at rim level - IOW's he added Potential Energy of Position into the system to prime it.

Did you see at anytime the single or dual pendulums etc ever achieve the same starting height ? - the answer is NO - what you saw was a system that acted like a chain weighted pendulum clock - it's center of mass [CoM] was lowered one time & that Pe wass converted into Ke & momentum - it is not self sustaining nor achieved a restoration of Pe to be self sustaining, therefore not OU.

Omnibus wrote > Thermodynamics never takes into account the energy put in to build a machine. The energy balance in thermodynamics is always done from the moment there is a machine available on. In this case the work of the machine starts from standstill. At that standstill the machine has certain gravitational potential energy, as a, say, ball has when sitting on a table with respect to the floor. In the case of a ball on a table, once it's let go towards the floor it can never recover the initial potential energy due to losses and never reaches the height of the table on its own. In this case the construction more than recovers the initially put in energy thus prodicing excess energy ("energy out of nothing", as it were).

Non-sense ! - see above.

To be OU a machine [already constructed] must restore its Potential Energy - if that is an oscillating device that means achieving the same or better starting height for CoM.

If that is a rotating system then the device must restore full Pe of Position & if excess Energy is available it will also manifest as excess momentum & Ke seen as excess velocity as it completes a cycle - so the conditions to be OU is that Pe is restored & to do Work there must also be excess momentum after one cycle.

Non of your examples did this, therefore NOT OU !

[Omnibus]

No ..

Then, explain it. Start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENrMwPNt9Cc&feature=player_embedded#