12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[astroshima]

Thats completely different scenario.

About this "new" scenario.
It's similar with measurement with dynamo lamps. At least we have video with that measurement so we see what experimenter does.

But with this "new" measurement we do not have video so we do not see what is experimenter doing. We can only guess!
For example:
Experimenter can change the speed of its arm that pushes dynamo lamp or dynamo meter. So I can speculate that:
1. If speed of the arm is almost constant we will almost have no light on dynamo lamp or almost no force on Dynamo meter.
(Check the video where one Guy pushes pendulum with the constant speed so Dynamo lamp producing NO ligt!!!(a=0, F=m*a=0, E=F*s=m*a*s=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHln0xczRk8)
2. But if speed of the arm is variable we will have acceleration (a > 0) = measurable Force (F=m*a) on Dynamo meter = light ( = measurable Energy E=F*s=m*a*s) on Dynamo lamp. (Check the same video from above when that guy has to push the pendulum with accelerated speed so that lamp can produce light!)
I think that in both cases (1. and 2.) there is equal input Energy in the system that cause one full oscillation.
But the measured input energy is completely different! (In 1. you have NO light at lamp = small "input" Energy = "overunity" and in 2. you have full light).
And another thing: how can you tell how much of that measured energy is eaqual to the one that is injected in the system! How do you know that dynamo lamp or dynamo meter measures that particular energy?

So I guess that this type of measurement need more scientific theoretical bases.
First you have to prove that force that you measure is equal to the force that influence on the input Energy of the system...
I think it is not completely the same Force...
(see all explanation above).

The point is that it is better to first measure and publish results for the scenario where input Energy is measured by formula E=mgh.
It's more simple and this scenario can be more simple explained than the one with dynamo lamps and dynamo meter that is more complex and in my opinion where is more possibility to make wrong Input Energy measurement.

[sm0ky2]

That system has been built years ago* and this type of input AND otput measurement has not been shown yet?
Why?

Because this system, under the proper analysis, is NOT over unity, as it is "claimed" to be.

The output energy can not only be measured, but it can also be calculated.
It is the sum of the verticle (downward) force, and its associated duration, acting on the pendulum at maximum velocity. [ as it passes bottom dead center]   m*g sin (angle from verticle when released)
there are dozens of other equations that could be substituted here, pendulum mechanics have been studied into the ground hundreds of years ago..  What is being done in this system, is the verticle force is being utilized, instead of just wasted as "stress" on the arm as the pendulum swings past the bottom center.  This does not interupt the horizontal momentum of the pendulum, so it keeps oscillating as normal, this force being obtained with each 1/2 cycle for a short duration.

The sum of all these energy values [force * distance moved verticaly] is equal to the original m*g*h of the pendulum starting position.
(in practice slightly less energy is obtained out, due to frictional losses)

the working end of the machine is simple leverage, the get the "mass equivalent" for each swing of the lever equations, simply divide the verticle force on the pendulum, by gravity [9.8 m/s]
then divide again by the verticle displacement. (this is the distance the pendulum moves up/down when it passed the bottom center)

with this value, you can calculate the capacity of your working lever, for instance - to operate a water pump, or small dynamo.

with each half cycle, the lever is 're-set' because the downward force only acts on the arm for a short duration, after which time, the working end of the lever has 100% of the mass.

This will continue until a time slightly less than that of a normal pendulum winddown, and all the input energy is consumed, then the pendulum must be reset.

You could attach some clockwork to wind up a weight, or spring mechanism to keep the pendulum going and close the cycle. It could prolong the system for a very long time, but this will eventually wind down and stop.

It is a very efficient machine, and has advantages of being able to expend energy cyclically over a duration of time. Which works great for manualy operated machines like remote water/oil pumps, dynamos, compressors, air-pumps, ect...

Watt for Watt you get back slightly less energy than you put into it.

[empiricalobserver2012]

Steven Greer's AERO and Orion Project: sincere effort to usher in free energy or eloquent intel. front


Steven Greer, the chairman of The Disclosure Project, the organization founded in the early ninety nineties to disclose the presence of extraterrestrials and government suppression of evidence regarding the matter has taken on a newer, more daring escapade. This time, disclosing free energy technology to the world by presenting a robust , functional, closed loop, multiple kilowatt free energy device to the world, in tandem with a myriad of free energy inventors and a network of elite celebrities who are determined to see clean abundant alternatives into to the light. All this will be presented at a conference at the
National Press Club, in the same fashion as his famed 01 conference. The idea is to reach hundreds of millions, to make them aware that there are more clean alternatives than wind , geothermal and solar. He has stated that he is working on having a demonstrator unit built  and have it be duplicated and verified by at least three independent sources. So, we assume that there are no robust units available in the public domain and that this is the obstacle to the grand press conference. He founded two organizations in this light- a non profit- Orion Project- to develop technology  and a standard company- AERO(Advanced Energy Research Organization) for marketing. In addition to this, he has asked for the public to donate three million dollars for a research facility. He states repeatedly through radio talk shows and visual presentations that all free energy inventors needs to work with him because that's the only way they can get around the ardent suppression of the last 100 years. The suppression is without doubt but the fact of the matter is that there are numerous free energy machines in the public domain, robust , multiple kilowatt. They are few and far between , but the holders of these units would be more than happy to give Greer a unit if they believed he was sincere. Greer does not have to have it build and some have been on record for multiple decades and their validity is incontrovertible, already verified and either ready for production as is or on the
brink of it. It is doubtful that he is not aware of:


1. testatika 3kw self running, harnessing electrostatic energy, multiple units, ranging from 300 watts to 30 kilowatts have been running Meternitha ,Switzerland for the last 30 years



2. bedini generator 10kw, runs John Bedini's workshop lights, New Energy Series dvds



3. newman generator - has been on record for 20 years , validated by 40 professionals, Joe Newman  appeared on johnny Carson, and given wide media coverage, has videos on google video showing his machines work


4. Daniel Dingel water cars, on record since 1968, has multiple cars running on water for everyday driving and farm work, Daniel Dingel is not dead and his cars, which exist today are as functional as anything Stan Meyer came up with.


Based of of his cozy relationship with people like the Rockefellers( the illuminati) and his lack of action as far the obvious is concerned, it must be looked upon as a likely possibility that whole affair may be nothing but a trojan hose, keeping tracks on inventors  and keeping them from attempting anything on their own.this is not a novel concept, the Noetics Institute of Edgar mitchell is just that. On the other hand , free energy is not intangible such as aliens, and we are at the cusp of a totalitarian police state- the new world order- and free energy would disrupt that

i call upon governing members of the free energy movement, such as Sterling d Allan and Tom Beardan to look into this affair because something stinks

[Nabo00o]

Well, there you have some of the reasons to why I haven't yet managed to pulls myself up and donate some money to their project, its still to little they are going for. But apperently bearden has cooporated with Greer on some of these technologies, even though he hasn't introduced the meg there.

The reason to why I don't think its a setup is because of the 2001 press conferance, which was so far past what you'd normally would have expected to be publicly avaiable. That seemed honest. But I think they are a little stuck now, mabye if the are about to release some stanly meiers technology and do some Pulse motor testing.

But that meeting was all along about both aliens and about free energy technologies and the releated gravity propulsion systems, so that bit isn't so hard to understand.

[Merg]

Why haven't the experimenter used previous scenario and measurement of Input Energy: E=mgh?
I think that  E=mgh is correct input Energy measurement...
That's so simple to measure and publish the results ... and again he did  not do it!
Why?

I have just got this paper - the author explained very well why E=mgh is NOT correct input Energy measurement and adequate method for this machine?!:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Recommendations_for_Efficiency_Measuring.pdf