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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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SteinerP

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 21, 2009, 10:37:19 AM
As you can see from the post immediately above, I have proposed (and did so several times earlier) a simple and easy experiment that would conveniently test the hypothesis:
"The Milkovic oscillator described here will produce 12 times more power out, on a continuous bases, than it receives as input."
Now, whether you want to argue about communicative style or not, the fact remains: an experiment has been proposed which could conceivably falsify the Milkovic hypothesis.
Now, the onus is on the claimants to properly perform such an experiment. The experiment I have proposed is not problematic at all; any competent mechanic could design and implement the system with off-the-shelf components in a short time.
If the Milkovic system is even near a COP of 1, this experiment will show it. If the system really has 12x OU, it will easily run itself through my pneumatic pumps, accumulators and actuators.

So, attack my style if you like, I really don't mind. But the issue is still there, and I have proposed a method to resolve it. Why not try to build something, instead of getting all huffy because of a turn of phrase?
I know the answer: It is because it is far easier to complain and attack a person's words, than to address the ideas behind them.

to argue about communicative style
attack my style if you like, I really don't mind

Yes, even if this site has predominantly to do with technical aspects, it would lead all of its participants to the unwanted result of becoming machines itself if there is not an approach of mutual respect. No matter how much irony or even sarcasm one might use, there is an easy way for anyone to feel if it is addressing a problem (and I agree sometimes a person could and should be addressed as a problem itself, but even then there should be no triumphant satisfaction in doing it) or a person (in most cases it is highly inappropriate to do so).
I entered this forum not to derogate or blindly support anyone, but to see determination, strength and character of people that use their time and effort to make this world cleaner, healthier and more humane. Not much as a technical expert, but a person who is interested in issues this forum deals with from the above mentioned aspects. I am more than convinced that you share my opinion about the civilized, cultivated and refined communication with either friends or foes, and it comes from my respect of your texts - why else would I spend my time and energy to this correspondence.
As for the insinuations of being somebody's crew, just from a totally impartial post that had nothing to do with mere pro et contra style, I couldn't agree more with your conclusion:
It is because it is far easier to complain and attack a person's words, than to address the ideas behind them.

Having this said, I would add that maybe I am more agile critic of Mr. Milkovic work than many of his overt opponents. It is about the meaning and use of criticism that differs positive and negative approach, the former being far more productive and not less painful.

As for your suggestions and the overall tone that you use when speaking about technical matters, I find it very constructive and it is one of the reasons of what I have already said about this correspondence being worth time and energy spent on.

Best regards

Nabo00o

Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.


tagor

Quote from: Merg on January 29, 2009, 11:57:43 AM
Automatic pendulum driver system for Milkovic oscillator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_ooL8hcrE

very nice system
we are waiting for data ( positive or negative one )

AB Hammer

Quote from: Merg on January 29, 2009, 11:57:43 AM
Automatic pendulum driver system for Milkovic oscillator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_ooL8hcrE

Interesting device there on youtube. Are you part of that program Merg?
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