12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Merg]

I read an article a few weeks ago on the Milkovitch device, that does not seemed to have been mentioned here. The article was on Free Energy News from Wikipedia. The gist of said article was that the most efficient time to feed energy to the pendulum, was at the end of its stroke, when the bob is weightless. This was done by moving the pendulums pivot horizontally. But I dont remember in which direction, although it was in the same plane that the pendulum swings. You could easily test this with a weight on a string. this could be the key to the whole problem.

Do you think on this article?
Jovan Marjanovic â€" Mechanical Feedback Loop Problems and Possible Solutions in the Two-Stage Oscillator of Veljko Milkovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Mechanical_Feedback_Loop.pdf

[Bessler007]

I am not sure exactly how you derive your graph, but is it possible you assign too much energy to the falling weight because you do not account for the counterweight?  I mean, you cannot simply take the mass of the hammer and calculate the energy based on that, because it is not free-falling.  It is partially balanced on the other side, so it is only able to impart a fraction of it's mass in kinetic energy.  Pardon if I have not used the correct terminology, but you get what I am saying I hope.

utilitarian,

I do understand what you're saying.  I totally neglected to look at that.     opps.  It's a good thing I'm not a surgeon.  There'd be a lot of dead people out there.  I need to take a better look at this idea but I'm still persuaded it's an amazing use of a double pendulum.




Bessler007

[Bessler007]

utilitarian,

The patient survived.  I set up a model of a double pendulum eliminating the mass that would counter-balance.  It also isn't the sort Milkovic has published.  It's just a little different.

I used smaller masses looking for what gain there might be.  The one point I calculated was an amplification little over 15.

I think if the pendulum is driven, much higher gains can be accomplished.  I also think the energy of the hammer can be used to drive the pendulum in a controlled fashion forcing the hammer to amazing extremes.




Bessler007

[Elisha]

There is a very effient way to convert a linear movement into a circular movement, the revetec.com trilobe crank.

With this crank we can recover the energy in the output if connected to an alternator.

[Bessler007]

Hello Elisha,

That's a very neat cam arrangement.  I think an inductively coupled feedback to the pendulum would be the most efficient way to approach this.  No friction equates to higher efficiency.

I've been wearing this principle out in simulation.  This concept of mechanical energy amplification has got to be one of the most significant ideas I've ever come across in the area of gravity power generation.

The idea of mis-interpretation of results comparing input to output, I think, is a non issue in the simulation I just ran of another modification of the Milkovic double pendulum wrt a consideration of the amplification factor.  The factor can be computed at any moment in time along the curves.  The drastic difference between the level of the blue curve compared to the red one is visually evident.  Averaging the gains over the approximate 3.5 seconds this simulation ran would be some tedious math.  I just made copies of 2 points along the curves.

The large graph and the readings below the red curve are the same graph.  One is the numeric reading of the larger picture at the indicated moment in time.  The red line is the energy of the pendulum.  The blue is the heavy pendulum.  That's the case in both examples.  The inset graph titled "pendulum" is on a scale that's readable.

Although the title of the small numeric inset reads "12.5k frames/sec"  the simulation was ran at 10k frames/sec.  I didn't change the title of that graph.

This is a variation of Milkovic's double pendulum.  The underlying principle is very powerful in my opinion.  It's worth a serious study.




Bessler007