12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Matech]

Hi.
I'm the one who built the ugly bike contraption, and let me say: the night before I connected the pink bike I really thought it was a free lunch system (hardly slept). Once the pendulum got going it seemed there was no stopping it. Even with varying amounts of wheight on the arm and different spring tensions, you can move the arms' pivot point aswell if you like. I got to thinking how much power would be required to swing a 15kg pendulum and repeatedly pick up and put down an apposing 10kg weight. The fact is they are inter-linked. The 10kg weight on its way down helps the pendulum and the pendulum helps pick the weight up again. Trying to extract work does not work! Bump a 30 pound flywheel twice a second and you'll pump water through a 1/16 inch pipe or light some torch bulbs-I promise. If this is 12X OU why can a man with 50 degrees not make it self run?

M.

[i_ron]

Hi.
I'm the one who built the ugly bike contraption, and let me say: the night before I connected the pink bike I really thought it was a free lunch system (hardly slept). Once the pendulum got going it seemed there was no stopping it. Even with varying amounts of wheight on the arm and different spring tensions, you can move the arms' pivot point aswell if you like. I got to thinking how much power would be required to swing a 15kg pendulum and repeatedly pick up and put down an apposing 10kg weight. The fact is they are inter-linked. The 10kg weight on its way down helps the pendulum and the pendulum helps pick the weight up again. Trying to extract work does not work! Bump a 30 pound flywheel twice a second and you'll pump water through a 1/16 inch pipe or light some torch bulbs-I promise. If this is 12X OU why can a man with 50 degrees not make it self run?

M.

M,

Very good to see you make the effort to prove this out, good work.

However there are several issues with your unit that may have influenced
your conclusions to be negative. Keep in mind that Veljko does say repeatedly
that this is a two stage oscillator.

1) So the counter weight is very important... I had poor results with a spring.

2) In my examination of bicycle freewheels I found that most have a non instant
pickup when changing direction and the kind that go "click click" actually have an
inch or two of pedal travel before engaging. It is hard to see in the vid but there
appears to be some lost motion in yours?

3) you were only collecting one half of the stroke.

I do hope your next one will function better.
An improperly built unit is not proof that Veljko's design does not work

Regards,

Ron

[Matech]

Hi Ron.

I didn't put the scheme to bed entirely, I built yet another simple contraption out of wood this time (easier to machine and mill etc). The balancing is incredibly simple, by moving the weight further or closer from the pendulum an "ideal" setup can be achieved.
All of the same problems again, the pendulum swings fantastically until the arm is even slightly tampered with. Milcovic implies that the pendulums' movement is not affected by interfering with the arm, this is not true. I rigged up magnets and coils and what not, the arm doesn't like to work at all.
It will be a big day for free energy enthusiasts when gravity can be exploited for uses other than the work it does for us at the moment.
Lifting a dead horse with the same gravity that prevents it from floating away will take some flogging.

M

[hartiberlin]

Hi Matech,
what have been your weights and leverage relations ?
I think the unit would work best, if the pendulum is at least 2times as far away from the pivot point and thus the pendulum weight can be a bit more heavier than half the weight of the output side.

[i_ron]

Hi Ron.

All of the same problems again, the pendulum swings fantastically until the arm is even slightly tampered with. Milcovic implies that the pendulums' movement is not affected by interfering with the arm, this is not true. I rigged up magnets and coils and what not, the arm doesn't like to work at all.


M

M, this is all too true and is just common sense. If you disturb the pendulum by raising
or lowering it it requires more power to maintain the swing.

What I found is with the arm locked it runs on half the power. And this is another one of those things where small doesn't cut it. I am up to 40 pounds (18 Kg) and to me this is the where you can "just start" to get something out, before that it is lost in
the woodwork.

What I discovered in earlier experiments is that with about 120? of swing, practically
the actual weight of the pendulum is apparent at the end of the secondary arm.
With the 40 pound weight I can hold the bathroom scale under the 1:1 arm and
lift up to 30 pounds and the arm is still trying to work! ( it should be +/- 20 pounds
but the scale won't follow the motion) so there is work being done.

Now this is with a very limited amount of travel as can be seen in my second video.

Ron