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Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

Started by gotoluc, March 23, 2018, 10:12:45 AM

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r2fpl

This is how the field rotates. It consists of 6 fields. They spin together but are electrically separated. This is obvious but not everyone understands it.

konehead

Salut Pierre
Ma conjecture est la simplicité que nous manquons est que si vous imaginez les vents induits électromagnétiques de rotor verrouillé comme aimant permanent, il incitera la puissance dans tous les vents de stator rotatifs qui ne sont pas pulsés.
Peut-être que c'est la puissance que Luc mesures bouchons de remplissage, mais n'a rien à faire backemf/Fly-Back puisque les champs de stator tournant ne jamais s'éteindre brusquement.
Peut-être aussi il ya une combinaison de backemf. forces (pas le Fly Back mais réel backemf) lorsque l'induction de retour aux vents stator du rotor excité se produit, et ils combinent et multiplient la puissance produite depuis backemf forces  "normalement se heurter " sont maintenant en même flux de direction que la puissance induite par le retour du rotor?

Hi Pierre
My guess is the simplicity we are missing  is that If you imagine the induced electromagnetic locked rotor winds as a permanent magnet,  it will induce power into all of the rotating stator winds that are not being pulsed.
Perhaps this is the power that Luc measures filling caps but has nothing to do backemf/ flyback since rotating stator fields never actually turn off abruptly.
Perhaps also there is a combining of backemf.forces (not the flyback but actual backemf) when the returning induction to stator winds from energized rotor occurs, and they combine and multiply power produced since backemf forces "normally clashing" are now in same direction flow as the returning induced power from rotor?




konehead

Is every stator coil there is in rotating field energized and this
Mass of 6 fields rotated?
So no time is there " unpulsed" stator winds?
If so this blows my feeble theory but perhaps the fields in register with the rotor core ends do recieve extra power from the induced rotor winds and the back enf forces normally clashing combine because of same flow direction

konehead

Hi Everyone
So when a 6 pole stator wind is pulsed, lets say it is 30 pole stator..
Power comes in to for example pole-slot #1, is wound LHR for example, then jumps over the poles and slots between, and then winds around slot #5 but now RHR wound....so there is a electromagnet created there, N one end, S other end, or other way around depending on if LHR or RHR at ends....
This electromagnet stretches across those 5 poles, and the stator poles between are NOT energized directly from the windings and pulse but are induced by the N pole piece at one end, and the S pole piece the other end....
so this would resemble and be just like if a permanaet magnet was there in the place of this stator-electromagnet created by the pulsing......and so there are 6 of these electromagnets all around the stators...each butted end to end to fill up all the stator winds...
so what I am saying is there are unpulsed windings between each pulsed stator pole-end true??
And what happens to these when not only do the stator pole ends create electromagnet, but also the rotor itself "reflects:" itself back upon these unpulsed stator windings?
Sorry to kick this idea around too much maybe it is something....
Maybe I have this wrong, and it is LHR for example and jumps across 5 slots and poles and is also again LHR? Not RHR?
If so same thing, what happens to winds in between pole ends, and what does the induced locked rotor winds do to these? (returns the power to reinforce the power created in stators and it all gets sent through the diodes to fill up cap)
Salut tout le monde
Ainsi, quand un vent stator 6 pôles est pulsé, disons qu'il est 30 pôle stator..
La puissance entre par exemple Pole-slot #1, est la plaie LHR par exemple, puis saute sur les pôles et les fentes entre, puis les vents autour de la fente #5 mais maintenant RHR Wound....so il ya un électro-aimant créé là, n une extrémité, S autre extrémité, ou l'autre manière autour selon si LHR ou  RHR à la fin....
Cet électro-aimant s'étend sur ces 5 pôles, et les pôles de stator entre ne sont pas alimentés directement par les enroulements et le pouls, mais sont induits par la pièce N de pôle à une extrémité, et la pièce de poteau de S l'autre extrémité....
donc, ce serait ressembler et être juste comme si un aimant permanaet était là à la place de ce stator-électro-aimant créé par le pulsation...... et donc il y a 6 de ces électro-aimants tout autour des stators... chaque bout à bout pour remplir tous les vents du stator...
donc ce que je dis, c'est qu'il y a des enroulements non pulsés entre chaque pôle de stator pulsé-fin vrai??
Et ce qui arrive à ces quand non seulement


forest

Ok, I'm not expert on generators but I think T-1000 said enough so it's no purpose to hide it. If I'm wrong then correct me...
I think you have to move field but not change it so the flux linking never occur. Once it occur even slightly the effect is gone. The field in generators is constant. The way to accomplish it  , is simple - the armature current must be steady. Imho in solid state generators you can find how to do it in old patents . Mostly they used complex commutators and ohm law ;-)