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IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

Started by George1, July 21, 2018, 08:11:37 AM

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George1
Quote1) Consider carefully and thoroughly (and many times!) the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY

I like the proof in this video much better because 1) it's demonstrable as seen in the video and 2) it's so obvious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo
Vertitasium, Anti-Gravity Wheel?.

Here we can apply any physics or equations we want but that does not change the fact that a large spinning mass on the end of a long shaft produces a completely non-intuitive phenomena.

Most don't understand what there seeing but the "spinning mass" has transferred all of it's "weight" to the fulcrum or point of rotation on the other end of the lever as shown below. However in order for the gyroscope/mass to transfer all it's weight to the fulcrum it must first apply an angular force on the lever following the known laws of levers. Which begs the question, the spinning mass obviously generated a force which produced the angular force on the lever but what was the spinning mass acting on to generate said force?.

As it turns out there is nothing the spinning mass can act on other than itself to produce the angular force on the lever ... Oh dear.

That's strange isn't it?, science is explicit that nothing can "act on itself" ergo act on nothing yet that is exactly what the spinning mass on the end of the lever did. So while most were mesmerized by the spinning mass they forgot to consider the lever it was attached to. I mean we all understand levers and the laws relating to them but somehow everyone got distracted in this case.

In my opinion this is a classic case of not being able to see what's right in front of us not unlike the concept of free energy. I mean all we have to do is ask a few simple questions...
1) Is this a lever with a mass on the end furthest from the fulcrum... yes
2) Does the lever require a force to lift or hold the lever on the end furthest from the fulcrum... yes.
3) Where does the force come from but more important what does the mass act on to produce said force?... apparently the spinning mass acts on itself.

When I first saw this experiment I thought it was very strange that so many people seemed to have completely missed the whole point. There is a large spinning mass on the end of a lever and somehow it produced a force "within itself" because there is nothing else it can act on... that is the point.

Regards
AC







George1

To Jerry Volland and to onepower.
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1) First of all I would like to apologize for being as if a little more rude than necessary. I am sorry, please excuse me. 
2) Secondly, your last posts seem to be very interesting. Need some time to consider them carefully.

George1

Asking our simple question for the 40th time.
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1) Consider carefully and thoroughly (and many times!) the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  .
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2) Assume that:
a) Ma = 1 kg;
b) Mb = 4 kg; the value of Mb can be either increased or decreased as many times as you want;
c) V1 = 1m/s = const;
d) Ffr. = force of friction inside the zigzag channels = 0.0000001 N; the latter can be further decreased as many times as you want;   
e) N = number of zigzags = 10; the value of N can be either increased or decreased as many times as you want;
f) Shapes of the zigzags = sinusoids; the latter can be replaced by any other curve patterns.
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3) It is evident that (always) V2 > 0 m/s and V3 > 0 m/s.
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4) It is evident that if V2 = 0.6 m/s and if V3 = 0.1 m/s, then (a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is valid and (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is invalid.
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5) It is evident that if V2 = 0.8 m/s and if V3 = 0.3 m/s, then (a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is invalid and (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is valid.
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6) It is evident that if (a) V2 is not equal to 0.6 m/s, and if (b) V2 is not equal to 0.8 m/s, and if (c) V3 is not equal to 0.1 m/s, and if (d) V3 is not equal to 0.3 m/s, then both (e) the law of conservation of linear momentum and (f) the law of conservation of mechanical energy are invalid simultaneously in this special particular zigzag case, which is described in the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  .
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Asking again our simple question for the 40th time.
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QUESTION: Do you have any objections against any of the above items 3-6? Yes or no? (And if yes, then specify exactly which item you do not agree with and why.)
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Looking forward to your answer for the 40th time.

George1

Asking our simple question for the 41st time.
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1) Consider carefully and thoroughly (and many times!) the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  .
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2) Assume that:
a) Ma = 1 kg;
b) Mb = 4 kg; the value of Mb can be either increased or decreased as many times as you want;
c) V1 = 1m/s = const;
d) Ffr. = force of friction inside the zigzag channels = 0.0000001 N; the latter can be further decreased as many times as you want;   
e) N = number of zigzags = 10; the value of N can be either increased or decreased as many times as you want;
f) Shapes of the zigzags = sinusoids; the latter can be replaced by any other curve patterns.
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3) It is evident that (always) V2 > 0 m/s and V3 > 0 m/s.
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4) It is evident that if V2 = 0.6 m/s and if V3 = 0.1 m/s, then (a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is valid and (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is invalid.
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5) It is evident that if V2 = 0.8 m/s and if V3 = 0.3 m/s, then (a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is invalid and (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is valid.
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6) It is evident that if (a) V2 is not equal to 0.6 m/s, and if (b) V2 is not equal to 0.8 m/s, and if (c) V3 is not equal to 0.1 m/s, and if (d) V3 is not equal to 0.3 m/s, then both (e) the law of conservation of linear momentum and (f) the law of conservation of mechanical energy are invalid simultaneously in this special particular zigzag case, which is described in the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  .
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Asking again our simple question for the 41st time.
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QUESTION: Do you have any objections against any of the above items 3-6? Yes or no? (And if yes, then specify exactly which item you do not agree with and why.)
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Looking forward to your answer for the 41st time.
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P.S. It is interesting to note a simple interesting experimental fact, which is as follows.
A) A certain number and a certain shape of the zigzags lead to the validity of the above written item 4.
B) Another combination of number and shapes of the zigzags leads to the validity of the above written item 5.
C) And a third combination (and more precisely, a group of combinations) of number and shapes of the zigzags leads to the validity of the above written item 6. 

George1

To Jerry Volland and to onepower.
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1) Your last posts are really extremely interesting. Need some more time to consider them carefully and thoroughly, and in depth.
2) As far as I can see there are no fundamental zigzag-principle-related objections on your part. This is good. I would suggest to work together.
3) And a few questions, which are not related to the technology topics however. :) Do you have some idea how to contact reliably some world famous high-tech laboratory? How to hire experts and/or equipment, that belong(s) to such a laboratory? How to gain a reliable access to such a laboratory? (Because we (our team) wrote already several times to NASA as well as to each of the 17 most famous laboratories in the world (these 17 laboratories can be found in the link https://www.rankred.com/best-science-and-technology-research-labs/ ), but we still have no answer. Obviously these 17 world famous laboratories are heavy bureaucratic structures, whose officers (of any rank) make even the most trivial decision with a great difficulty.)
Looking forward to your answer.
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P.S. Yes, "a large spinning mass on the end of a long shaft produces a completely non-intuitive phenomena." Well said! Absolutely true! But how this happens? A really mysterious fact, don't you think so?