Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

lancaIV · October 27, 2018, 04:35:06 PM

ayeaye · October 28, 2018, 11:52:41 AM

My Inkscape script again, for these who have analog oscilloscopes. So that it will not disappear. In fact the CSV that the digital oscilloscope outputs, is time and voltage, and a separate CSV for both channels? So properly it should generate CSV the way the oscilloscope outputs, and then the calculation script should input that. But i don't know exactly what the format is, so by now it's just a list of voltages. So one may have to use a spreadsheet or an online converter, to convert CSV to list. Someone show me a single example of the CSV that oscilloscope outputs, as i couldn't find a single one, that should be enough to rewrite both scripts to using exactly that CSV. Thanks.

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#Voltage scale in V
YU = 0.2
#Scale is 50 units
YU /= 50

str = ""
f = open("input.txt")
for s in f:
begin = s.find("d=\"m ")
if (begin == -1): continue
begin = s.find(" ", begin)
end = s.find("\"", begin)
str = s[begin : end]
f.close()

def next(separator):
global pos
begin = pos + 1
pos = str.find(separator, begin)
if (pos == -1): pos = len(str)
return int(round(float(str[begin : pos])))

pos = 0
list = []
next(",")
next(" ")
list.append([0, 0, 0, 0])
while (True):
x = list[-1][0] + abs(next(","))
y = list[-1][1] - next(" ")
list[-1][2] = x
list[-1][3] = y
if (pos == len(str)): break
list.append([x, y, 0, 0])

n = 0
for j in range(list[-1][2]):
while (j >= list[n][2]): n += 1
lx = list[n][2] - list[n][0]
ly = list[n][3] - list[n][1]
ratio = float(j - list[n][0]) / lx
v = (list[n][1] + int(round(ly * ratio))) * YU
if (j): print(v)

When the signal is sine then phi is enough to see overunity, right. Showing the multiplication of the current and voltage on the coil shows overunity as well. But it may not always be exactly sine, and in all cases calculation is likely necessary to finally calculate and confirm the input and output power.

Zero power factor, i guess it is when the average power is near zero, right? It may look like that zero power is not very important for overunity. But this is exactly what we are after. When average power is zero, then positive and negative powers are equal. The best i think we can dream of is when the negative power is slightly greater than the positive power, and this shows as a near zero average power.

partzman · October 28, 2018, 04:15:52 PM

Quote from: ayeaye on October 28, 2018, 11:52:41 AM
My Inkscape script again, for these who have analog oscilloscopes. So that it will not disappear. In fact the CSV that the digital oscilloscope outputs, is time and voltage, and a separate CSV for both channels? So properly it should generate CSV the way the oscilloscope outputs, and then the calculation script should input that. But i don't know exactly what the format is, so by now it's just a list of voltages. So one may have to use a spreadsheet or an online converter, to convert CSV to list. Someone show me a single example of the CSV that oscilloscope outputs, as i couldn't find a single one, that should be enough to rewrite both scripts to using exactly that CSV. Thanks.

When the signal is sine then phi is enough to see overunity, right. Showing the multiplication of the current and voltage on the coil shows overunity as well. But it may not always be exactly sine, and in all cases calculation is likely necessary to finally calculate and confirm the input and output power.

Zero power factor, i guess it is when the average power is near zero, right? It may look like that zero power is not very important for overunity. But this is exactly what we are after. When average power is zero, then positive and negative powers are equal. The best i think we can dream of is when the negative power is slightly greater than the positive power, and this shows as a near zero average power.

Here is a CSV text file generated by a Tek MDO3034. All 4 channels plus the Math calculations are included and may be compared to the attached Excel file that also includes the scope pix.

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ayeaye · October 29, 2018, 04:25:01 AM

Many thanks. The format is even simpler than i thought. Tektronix has a great precision, 1000 units in the time scale, that's huge. I see it can output math channel, which makes the calculation very simple, but not all scopes can do that and i make it generic.

For analog scopes there has to be both channels drawn in Inkscape. The way that the path for channel 1 is drawn first and the path for channel 2 is drawn second. It doesn't matter where these paths are located on the drawing, it only matters that the channel 1 path is first and channel 2 path is second. The x length of both also has to be more or less the same, the shorter of these determines the length of CSV list.

Takes some time to figure out. Nothing complicated at all, but the usual stuff about what is where.

F6FLT · October 29, 2018, 06:56:10 AM

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http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2013/0328390.html by John Kissane
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It is said "The inductance generated by the capacitor in circuit 1 would generate Current in the coil of wire in circuit 2 indirectly". By the virtue of the Holy Spirit?!

There is no magnetic coupling between circuits 1 and 2 because they do not share a magnetic flux (they are transverse). There is a capacitive coupling but no current because once an electron has been attracted to a capacitor plate, there is no longer any reason for it to move, we are in DC. When the electron "e" is capacitively attracted to point "A" (see drawing), another electron from circuit 2, on the other side of the coil, is attracted in opposition to the other end of the coil. The resulting effect for a current is nil.
To induce a current in a coil inside a capacitor, or from the coil to the capacitor, the axis of the coil must be perpendicular to the capacitor plates and the current must be AC. We face a childish crackpot who mixes capacitive and magnetic coupling without understanding either one.

Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

lancaIV

ayeaye

partzman

ayeaye

F6FLT