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Overunity Machines Forum



All Permanent Magnet Motor

Started by magnetman12003, March 28, 2020, 03:43:49 PM

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magnetman12003

Quote from: Magluvin on May 22, 2020, 05:44:52 PM
If it is the additional weight that is the ticket, then does it have to be a bolt that is magnetic?
If it is a magnetic alteration that happens to the 'upper' pole to change its original path, then there must be many ways of doing just that in place of the bolts. 

On of the issues with a mag motor setup like this is, and many dont realize this, is that the is just as much flux from the N side of the angles magnet as the is S pole flux thus no movement. But, if the bolts a redistributing the upper pole in a way that the top pole has less influence on rotation, then maybe the lower or say bottom angled pole has a chance at deflecting the rotor into rotation.  Im not fully convinced it will work as in most cases in physics like this, there is no release of downward pressure to allow continuous motion. But maybe it could be different with magnets..  What I mean by that is typically if magnets are in repulsion or attraction, the net result of any of these actions using moving parts would be the attraction would tend to move the magnets closer and repulsion would move them away. But here the differences would or should remain static, just like the big speaker magnet field, static.
Mags


I found that using a common steel threaded bolt that was least expensive worked well for me. As long as it had a lead weight near the center of the bolt and the bottom of the bolt was actually touching or pressing onto the 45 degree mounted magnet. My setup spins very fast with fingers holding the bolt at an angle near 45 degrees. Bolt touching the 45 degree magnet.
By using a plastic tumbler to hold up the top end it will spin fingers free. That angle can be set by using the hight of the tumbler lip. My plastic tumblers should be here shortly
If you wish to see a video of this action look at you tubes ((Magnet motor without tumbler))
I am finger holding the weighted threaded steel rod strait up with nothing happening but when I place it at a angle the setup spins by itself rapidly.

Tom

magnetman12003


synchro1


gyulasun

Quote from: magnetman12003 on May 22, 2020, 08:05:07 PM
See Above

Tom
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the video, it shows the source of the input energy that causes rotation:

it is the lead weight (lead sinker) tilting movement from a near vertical position towards the near 45 degree position.

And indeed the 6 inch long bolt would exert a pushing force onto the rotatable platform and indeed this force can mainly
come from gravity and from your hand supporting (but not holding!) the bolt with the lead weights on it. 

Your earlier explanation is also ok: 

https://overunity.com/18444/all-permanent-magnet-motor/msg545853/#msg545853

"Think of that in simple terms.  You are stranding (standing) on a carpet with a slick oil spot under it. As long as you stand
strait up you won't move.  The second your weight shifts at a angle the carpet will slide out from under you. 
My setup is made that simple."   

To make your weight shift you need to make a sudden movement with your body: this is the input energy in this example.

So the moment the bolt with the weights on it gets into the 45 degree resting position, after tilting from its near vertical position,
the initial rotation of the rotor will slowly stop (friction depending). 

Notice that if you tether the bolt (to a support also on the rotor) by a piece of thread to let it rest in the 45 degree position,
after that the bolt was let tilt from its original vertical position, the pushing force on the rotor can only be smaller than in case
you support the tilting by your hand.  This is because your hand is a support independent from the rotor
while a tether support mounted onto the rotor is not independent but tied to it. 

I attached two shots from your video, one with the near vertical bolt and the other shows the mostly gravity tilted bolt starts moving the rotor. 
So your setup will not spin if you mount the bolts in immediately in the 45 degree position and do not let them suddenly tilt
by gravity.  But even if you let the bolts tilt first to start rotation, the rotor will stop because the bolts will then remain in resting
at the 45 degree position.
Understand? 

Gyula

synchro1

Once the 45 degree steel rod rests in position, all the weight is directed straight down; Not off to one side!