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All Permanent Magnet Motor

Started by magnetman12003, March 28, 2020, 03:43:49 PM

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gyulasun

Hi Tom,
I understood the bottom ring magnet magnetically supports the top ring magnet (makes it levitate). 

Regarding the rod magnets, why would they shoot out of the tube ends?  How that 'shooting out' force is created? 

To create such force, an assymetry should be introduced in the fields whenever the bottom end of any rod magnet 
is just covering say a quarter of a full rotational cycle (quarter because there are 4 tubes). 

Normally there is kinda flat (homogeneous) repel field between the two ring magnets (South versus South in your drawing) 
like in a normal magnetic levitation setup and this field should be distorted periodically by something to have a changing 
and thus interacting field which results in a rotational force.

This is what is not clear where this force may come from.

Thanks 
Gyula


synchro1

I positioned two ceramic block magnets at 45 degree angles on a 2 inch microwave ceramic ring and got spin motion on it when I compressed it against a twin ring magnet in opposition. The ring with the magnets choose to "slip to one side" at some point of pressure.

There appeared to be a concrete flywheel around Tom's top ring. Was it Floor who first disclosed this effect?

gyulasun

Quote from: magnetman12003 on April 11, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
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It seems the rod magnet South Pole end ( in my case) is pinched between the South Pole backside of the block magnet
and the powerful North Pole downward force of the large ceramic magnet under it??

Hi Tom,You may have added the above sentence a few minutes later than I read the rest before it, I noticed it only now. 
No problem of course and I understand what you say but again my problem is that these fields are static and act within
the same platform above the top ring magnet (if I correctly understand your setup).

On the static fields I mean the attract and repel forces you describe , they result in positioning the rod magnets at a certain
hight above the top plate i.e. above the top ring magnet, inside the plastic tubes and the main question is what makes the
rod magnets vary their distance from the platform ?
  Unfortunately, I do not have such ring magnets at hand, and buying them is a bit difficult in such coronavirus times,
I have to wait. This is mainly why I am trying to understand the setup in the meantime, why it rotates.

Please do not catch the virus.  8)

Gyula

magnetman12003

I am 79 years old and catching  the virus would probably kill me.  So far since this started I decided to part with all info about it should I pass away suddenly.  I open sourced the info. There is a lot of questions I can't answer yet.  Still trying to improve it.  I now think after using only one rod magnet per Each 45 Degree aluminum frame that's powerful enough.   I show 2 rod magnets inside the plastic tubes but I am afraid to try that as the motor might blow apart with centrifugal forces acting on it.

gyulasun

Hi Tom,

would like to ask: did you always mean the 'shoot out' of the rod magnets would happen due to the
centrifugal forces manifesting over a certain rotor RPM? 

Or earlier you meant the 'shoot out' happens due to the pinched S pole of the rod magnet between the
S pole of the block magnet and the N pole of the top ring magnet? 
Or maybe both: this latter and the high RPM case?

It is okay if you cannot answer all the questions. It would be good if you could test this: 

Stop the rotor from its rotation by hand and notice the height position of the rod magnets in the tubes.
When the rotor is stationary I think the rod magnets are also at a rest position, very likely are levitating, right? 
This levitation would come from the resulting force the attract and repel forces establish as a result. 
At least, this is how I think, I may be wrong.

It also would be a good piece of info how the rod magnets behave i.e. whether they change their height 
with respect to the top platform as you slowly start rotating the rotor by your hand from a standstill position 
and cover a full rotational circle, all this by your hand. 

I believe if you safely close the top openings of the plastic tubes by a cap, then the centrifugal forces could not cause
the rod magnets fly out, should the rotor RPM go unusually high when using two rod magnets in a tube. 
And you could use two pieces of wood sticks in your hands to be able to brake the rotor by them,
thus reducing RPM even to a standstill. 

Thanks for doing this test if you agree.

Gyula