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[Void]

Chris Sykes
Hi Chris ,
I understand . I appreciate your sincerity when you explain that you could not share because the experiment is not yours, and I respect that.   
In the past, I was also limited to sharing in detail some of the circuits that I did, but I thought that in the face of our recent conversations about "freeing ourselves from the bonds" of the big companies and working for the benefit of society, I thought you meant sharing in open-source, not by a restricted group of people.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Thus, we can only hope that these experiments will be successful and that the values you announced will be confirmed, as it would be very important, if your intention in the future is to share this discovery with the world.
I will always be available to listen to you and help you if you want in the future, to provide more (information) related to that system.
I wish you the best .

Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion. 

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented

All the best...

[NickZ]

  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

[onepower]

NickZ

Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

Regards

[Raycathode]

NickZ
Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

Regards

Yeah what is your point ? any chance you can point me to some of your work you have from your last 10 years ?

Kind regards  Raymondo

[nelsonrochaa]

Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion. 

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented

All the best...

Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha