Pandemic - Run the virus through the community during the summer, instead of

unsure · August 13, 2020, 08:19:44 PM

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Not long before colder weather returns.

This virus ( unlike 100 years ago ) is strangely unique in that it mainly affects older people >50 or those with health problems. Shouldn't governments behave like opportunists to take advantage of the strange uniqueness of this virus .

MAIN POINT - Percentage wise, the 'main' contamination highways and roads that spread this virus are the 0 - 50 ( or 0 - age-? ) age group that don't have health problems relevant to this virus, the part of the population least likely to be affected by the virus.

MAIN POINT - A government could decide to run this virus through the community ( NO MASKS etc ), AND DURING THAT RUN, provide services or protocols to enable the highest affected older age groups ( or people who have health problems relevant to this virus ) to either stay at home ( or not be infected if they go out ) .

I'm pretty sure governments seem to be aware of the need to 'run' this virus through the community, which is why in many places people are allowed to stand around, or near bars and restaurants without needing to wear a mask, I regularly walk past them, within literally centimeters, as they are talking without a mask while I have to wear one, also, it seems if you are talking on a phone or smoking ( in some places ) while walking, you also don't need to wear a mask, people smoking or having snacks ( away from bars / restaurants ) are also usually chatting while doing so, without a mask.

At the moment, the second wave is happening here, and because people of the at risk age-groups and people who have relevant health conditions, have been infected, the hospitals will again be faced with the possibility of collapsing due to the high number of hospitalizations.

MAIN POINT - With my idea of intentionally running the virus through the community ( while protecting the at risks groups ), a lot of people would be infected, but theoretically much much fewer people would require any hospitalization .

THE WEAK POINT OF MY PLAN - The age group, 50 - 65-? which is part of the workforce ( and people with relevant health conditions in the workforce ), how would you sufficiently protect this age group from being infected while running the virus through the community, there probably would be methods of protecting them etc.

- With my idea, there is a degree of unpredictability, of numbers of hospitalizations that would occur, THAT IS IDENTICAL to what is happening at the moment, with the second wave that is occurring here, however, I do suspect that my plan would theoretically involve much lower risk, much lower numbers of hospitalizations( not to mention getting rid of the virus quite quickly, although admittedly I know nothing about the issue of individuals being re-infected etc )

unsure · August 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM

MISCELLANEOUS
If someone is known to not be friendly ( there's probably more accurate words to describe that ) due to some situation, less friendly than they would otherwise be without the situation, then surely the options to arrange a meeting / chat would be -
- A normal Text message, if, this person is known to NOT HAVE WhatsApp
- A phone call
- An email, even though this person may only check their email approximately once a week

It seems various people find that difficult to understand, etc, something that seems to have occurred on various occasions recently and in the past .

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I noticed a protest against Face-masks. Why not include the alternate option of Plastic Face-Shields in the protest, as I detailed on the https://overunity.com/18555/pandemic-can-anyone-design-a-satisfactorily-safe-and-cheap-plastic-face-shield thread .
Plastic Face-Shields are a good enough longer term solution, however, there is the problem for many people that they can damage their own clothing with the plastic edge of the Plastic Face-Shields, even though it is smooth and curved, some people can still damage their own clothing etc, why can't a Plastic Face-Shield be designed that eliminates that problem.
Also, are people suggesting no Face-masks or Plastic Face-Shields, is it a fake virus, it does not seem fake .

- I noticed a detail that I forgot on my 'Run the virus through the community' model, that is that many of the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' do live with their family which are often people under 50, however, I assume that services or protocols could be provided so that the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' could be shielded from the virus, although, I'm obviously no expert or anything.

onepower · August 19, 2020, 08:24:18 PM

unsure

QuoteI noticed a protest against Face-masks. Why not include the alternate option of Plastic Face-Shields in the protest, as I detailed on the https://overunity.com/18555/pandemic-can-anyone-design-a-satisfactorily-safe-and-cheap-plastic-face-shield thread .
Plastic Face-Shields are a good enough longer term solution, however, there is the problem for many people that they can damage their own clothing with the plastic edge of the Plastic Face-Shields, even though it is smooth and curved, some people can still damage their own clothing etc, why can't a Plastic Face-Shield be designed that eliminates that problem.
Also, are people suggesting no Face-masks or Plastic Face-Shields, is it a fake virus, it does not seem fake .

The protests against face masks and fake virus conspiracy theories have nothing to do with science more so politics. Donny trump and his populist friends like Bolsonaro and Putin put the economy and there only chance of reelection before human lives. Then when the virus went pandemic they got caught with there pants down and looked stupid. So they made up some bs excuses there gullible supporters could rally behind and they did. So no face masks, gathering in large numbers and Covid conspiracies are there way of saying they support there populist leaders despite the dangers to human lives and the facts.

However you nailed one aspect with regards to the elderly who are the most affected group. You see when the populists ignored the science many got infected which then infected there family and friends. Thus they are responsible for killing there own family, parents and grand parents who got infected and died. Now were starting to see the fallout of there ignorance as more people lose the one's they love and come to understand they were being lied to. Many have said there loved one's were avid trump supporters who ignored the science and now there dead. I get it, it's wonderful to believe in imaginary things however when our actions start killing innocent people, more so the one's we love that goes beyond ignorance right into sadistic and cruel behavior.

So I would say, believe the bs if you want, roll the dice but when someone you love dies because of your stupidity you own that shit. I would also say don't think for a minute anyone is going to forget what they have done and they will be judged. Does anyone think I or anyone else would forgive the complete and utter ignorance and disregard for the facts if there actions killed someone we love?. Nobody could possibly be that stupid... in my opinion.

There will be a reckoning, everything always comes full circle and people need to decide which side of history they want to be on.

Regards

unsure · November 28, 2020, 07:34:59 PM

Quote from: unsure on August 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
- I noticed a detail that I forgot on my 'Run the virus through the community' model, that is that many of the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' do live with their family which are often people under 50, however, I assume that services or protocols could be provided so that the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' could be shielded from the virus, although, I'm obviously no expert or anything.

I recently realized an obvious option, for the weak point in my 'Run The Virus Through The Community' Model, which is in the quote above .
The obvious option, would be to temporarily put 'Those Vulnerable To The Virus'( With One Carer ) who live with their family/relatives, into community-sports-facilities, universities, schools etc, which would not be used while 'Running The Virus Through The Community'.
NOTE - In the paragraph above, I typed ( With One Carer ), if desired, so that would make that detail more acceptable .
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If anyone else, groups or individuals, have published / raised this idea ( like my idea ) against the virus, it would be very interesting to see the details / model they have. And obviously, if any of them have actual relevant qualifications etc, then it would also be interesting to see their plan.
Crunching the numbers, it just seems that this idea of 'Running The Virus Through The Community', I have detailed in this thread, just seems much better than the current strategies, much less people dying, much less time wasted, much less damage to communities etc.
If anyone knows of a similar idea, by any groups or individuals, then please post links so people can examine them .

Floor · November 28, 2020, 07:52:48 PM

2 cents
Its nice to see some real communication on the forum again.
thanks
floor