The optimum electrode waveform for watergas production

[Paul-R]

I haven't read this thread fully because the huge images makers it so annoying (see the thread: "Resize your image before posting - instructions") but I am pretty sure it is worth reminding people that Bob Boyce's secret of success is to have pulses and as sharp as possible - a very short rise time and descent time and to hit the water with the Keely frequency, 42.8khz + one octave down + another octave down. See Patrick's book - God rest his soul, and eternal thanks).

[h20power]

So you're saying in effect that you are supplying unipolar pulses to a transformer and getting unipolar pulses out of it to the WFC. The waveform in the second of your attached images is just the + and - voltage across the electrodes which will, of course, be +500 and -500 or whatever, but that is different from the 'AC' waveform in one of your docs and which I used in my original post in this thread. That shows 'energy aimed at hydrogen atoms' and 'energy aimed at Oxygen atoms'. That waveform shows a sequential + and - which is very different (see attached).

You are getting bogged down with words which is why I showed you just what the actual waveform looks like on the oscilloscope as figure 10-5 shows an impossible situation. You have to understand patent law as in patents one doesn't have to show the truth in their drawings as his drawing show what is taking place with respect to the water molecules. If you read through what you just posted Meyer states this in words quote from what you posted, "Negative electrical voltage potential (61) of pulse wave (65a xxx 65n) of figure (3-21) is simultaneously applied to the negative voltage zone (67) via resonant charging choke (62) of figure (3-22),..." As you can see the negative voltage is also being applied to the plates of the water capacitor in words but not being shown in drawing form by Stanley Meyer and the screen shot I showed you shows that to be true.


Unipolar definition: Having or relating to a single pole or kind of polarity.


The square wave pulse trains being sent to the primary coil of the transformer are Unipolar as they are only positive pulses, but by transformer action you get a modified AC wave form being applied to the plates of the capacitor charging up the negative and positive plates of the capacitor which is a potential difference at nearly the same time. Each vertical line in the drawing I made represent one positive square wave pulse being sent to the VIC transformer. I sent a total of five unipolar pulses to the primary coil of the transformer and it yields 5 negative pulses and 5 positive pulses as it doubles the frequency as 5 + 5 = 10.


Here is a photo of someone that was doing everything right but the transformer he made couldn't handle the load being placed on it. Note it starts off with a negative voltage spike but can't keep it going as the load being place on the transformer by his resonant cavities is too great. He ends up pushing current through the water bath as a result and as you can see his voltage doesn't try and go towards infinity as he is only getting 118 volts negative and 242 volts positive being applied to the plates of his resonant cavities which is far less than what I am applying to the plates of my resonant cavities where I am applying 3.28 kv negative and 4.24 kv positive. The wire sizes he chose to use were too small as the power factor wasn't enough to charge up the plates of his water capacitor.


This technology isn't all that simple as normal electrolysis is as it's quite the opposite in it's complexity. The last drawing shows voltage performing work graphically. The magenta line represents the ionization threshold for the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. The green areas have passed the threshold for ionization of the atoms and the voltage now performs the work of breaking down the bonds of the water molecules by way of ionization. The horizontal lines represent voltage while the vertical lines represent a single square wave pulse being sent to the transformer.

[JulesP]

I haven't read this thread fully because the huge images makers it so annoying (see the thread: "Resize your image before posting - instructions") but I am pretty sure it is worth reminding people that Bob Boyce's secret of success is to have pulses and as sharp as possible - a very short rise time and descent time and to hit the water with the Keely frequency, 42.8khz + one octave down + another octave down. See Patrick's book - God rest his soul, and eternal thanks).

Thanks for the interesting info. I vaguely recall the name Keely and will refresh my understanding.

Once I saw the pic sizes I tried to replace them with smaller versions but could find no way to do that despite the post being editable.

Yes I and many others owe a lot to Patrick Kelly. He's missed.

[JulesP]

The square wave pulse trains being sent to the primary coil of the transformer are Unipolar as they are only positive pulses, but by transformer action you get a modified AC wave form being applied to the plates of the capacitor charging up the negative and positive plates of the capacitor which is a potential difference at nearly the same time.

Thanks for trying to explain but this brings me right back to my initial post: why would you want a 'modified ac waveform' across the capacitor plates which will effectively reverse the polarity on them each half cycle? Also if you put a unipolar square wave into a transformer you get a sort of spike output, but it's not ac so your VIC must not function as a 'regular' transformer.

[h20power]

Thanks for trying to explain but this brings me right back to my initial post: why would you want a 'modified ac waveform' across the capacitor plates which will effectively reverse the polarity on them each half cycle? Also if you put a unipolar square wave into a transformer you get a sort of spike output, but it's not ac so your VIC must not function as a 'regular' transformer.

At this point I think I am going to call it quits as I can't function as your teacher for all the missing things in your learning of math, science, and skills of observation. I've done the experiments myself to the point of actually getting at the science behind the technology and I guess that will have to do as I continue to move forwards with this technology now moving towards trying to actually put this technology on the market. Give me one good reason why I should step all the way back with someone that is just starting off on this technology treating it like some sort of hobby? I've put a great deal of my life into figuring this technology out having been working on it since March of 2006. I really don't have anything to prove to you nor do I require your approval on anything that I have done as that is precisely why I made use of the scientific method as a way to prove it to myself by asking and answering questions the old fashion way.


It would be nice if someone besides me also understood the technology as well as I do but most simply aren't willing to pay their way to success and run around thinking this technology is as simple as standard electrolysis. People run around thinking there is some magical frequency that will make it all work correctly instead of searching for answers of why things work this way scientifically. I am the only one that I know of that went looking for this method of water separation taking place in nature. It's a lonely place at the top of understanding all of this but I guess that's the way it has to be.


Take care,
Edward