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Overunity Machines Forum



perpetual magnetic toy and explanation

Started by glaysonmestre, November 22, 2020, 11:18:02 PM

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Floor

Quote from: glaysonmestre on November 24, 2020, 10:14:33 AM
don't stop spinning   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile

The machine is built to run on the principle of what ?

I wish that videos were proof because if they were, we would have 100 free energy machines
already on you tube.

I cannot say definitively, that this device does not work.

I only say that I do not see any reason why is should.

It requires the same amount of energy to pull two attracted magnets apart
from one another... as one can get out from the initial attraction of them together...

given that the line of travel is the same line, during both, the attraction and the pulling
apart.
                     But
I cannot say absolutely, that this holds true of this device because the path of approach is
different from the path away......

However...

the angle / direction of approach, during the approach of the Ferris wheel magnets
toward the OTHER MAGNET, is different from when the Ferris wheel magnet is moving away.

  BUt only....

because the swinging magnet is repositioned by the Ferris wheel's motion,

   And

That energy to reposition the "OTHER MAGNET" is taken from the rotation of the
Ferris wheel.

Again,

well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.

Build one to see, is OK with me.

But also keep it in mind to maybe build it with great precision of motion, low friction, very well balanced and also keeping in mind that

the main components might be used in other tests / experiments, if it is built to be adaptable to other magnet configurations ?

  best wishes
   floor

skywatcher

Quote from: Floor on November 24, 2020, 04:32:09 PM
well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.
If it only uses its initial energy it will decelerate from the start, which should be visible after 15min if it would stop let's say after 30 min.
If the speed remains constant for 15 min there must be an energy source.

The first video is online for 9 months now, but not one single successful replication.

glaysonmestre


the video with technical information was posted on September 18th, I would like to know if what he said about the round magnet is correct?

whoever sees the device for the first time thinks it is fake when I saw the first time I thought it was more of a fake video, but I was intrigued the guy answered the comments


nix85

remember the steorn orbo, there are two phenomena at play, first it neutralizes attraction to ferrite core when coil is pulsed - this is understandable as local coil field overcomes the outside magnet field and polarizes the magnetic domains so that they are not attracted to outside magnet.

second effect is harder to explain. in this video

https://youtu.be/j3RLp3ezs1Q?&t=38

there are two magnets n and s side to side and toroid coil at 90° in the exact middle between them 8mm distant. magnetic field of the toroid is of course contained inside it and yet, it repels the two magnets. can not be attributed to leakage flux since toroid is wound all the way, no holes.

Lunkster

Question;

Even though the flipping magnet is flipping fast, it is not instantaneous.
So think of the rotation starting at one position and completing it's
twist in a different position along the wheels magnets.  Now evaluate all off the relationships during the
flipping action of the forces between the flipping magnet and the wheel magnets.
It seems to me that their could be an offset of attraction to repulsion relationships
in this motor design if the start to stop flipping action occurs in the correct position. 
But I am only a hobbyist,  so weigh what I say lightly.

Now I can see how replications can fail because the designer said that the strength of the flipping magnet
was critical in making this motor design operate.  Again I can see that a magnet that is too strong will extend it's range into the flux area of the other magnets that would hinder the function of this motor design.  Then again, a flipping magnet to week would not provide enough force to add enough torque to the motor to keep it running.  If it took the designer 17 years to get the correct magnet strength and balance to his motor, what makes you think that replications would get it correct the first time?

So if the motor could have more flipping magnets of weaker force could be added to the design, then the additive forward torque they would produce to the wheel could keep it rotating. 

Adding three more flipping magnets as in my drawing would create for times the push from the flipping magnets.  Of course you need to rotate the wheel magnets 90 degrees if you place the flipping magnets to the side of the wheel.  This way you would be taking advantage of the dead spto on both sides of the wheel magnets.

Now if you turned the whole wheel on its side, you would be able to add several flipping magnets to the top and bottom side of the motor.

Lunkster