Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water

[kolbacict]

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[kolbacict]

I have always said that a corona discharge in gases destroys its molecules by a free radical mechanism. For example, an oxygen O2 molecule to form ozone O3.
The water molecule in the form of vapor is no exception.
The effect of zeolite seems interesting.

What do the numbers 0.2 volts and 2 volts mean on a hydrogen sensor?
Can this be converted to a percentage?

p.s.
My dear Serge, even if we have a real real perpetual motion machine, they still won't take us in.
In my opinion, it's just not necessary. This world is arranged something differently.

[ramset]

Kolbacict
Persons like those sharing in this topic ( your comments above)
Should always have a path towards continuing open source research in a productive
Environment.


Personally
I would love to meet more persons like yourselves ( selfless (NOT selfish)
And do everything possible to help !


It is our global mission here ( Stefan's statement at top of forum!
Truly the cream of the crop !( the best in hard times


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
I think we need an organization ( non profit global research group?
Persons who have a history of sharing their work
Should be helped by such a group..
Also persons here that wish to test concepts ( such as proof of concepts)
Should have access to funding for open source research!


Many here already do this with limited resources
Others make offers ? But lack funding!
PPS
Sorry for off topic Sergh

I will start a topic soon ( or ask Stefan about this first?( hopefully today)

[Sergh]

By the way, there was no answer what the readings of the hydrogen sensor on the arduino mean.

according to the calibration table of the MQ-8 sensor, the 2,1 volt is about 1800 - 2000 ppm. It if to trust tables. This is about 0.2% if I'm not mistaken. It won't be enough. 
The result is not negative, but insufficient to confirm high efficiency. Other equipment is being prepared for experiments.It is strange that positive results are only in the gas phase, but nothing happened in the liquid phase.

[sm0ky2]

I have always said that a corona discharge in gases destroys its molecules by a free radical mechanism. For example, an oxygen O2 molecule to form ozone O3.
The water molecule in the form of vapor is no exception.
The effect of zeolite seems interesting.

What do the numbers 0.2 volts and 2 volts mean on a hydrogen sensor?
Can this be converted to a percentage?

p.s.
My dear Serge, even if we have a real real perpetual motion machine, they still won't take us in.
In my opinion, it's just not necessary. This world is arranged something differently.

High voltage easily breaks the ionic bond. (and fuses ions of the other polarity)
It can be a plasma or a chemical reaction,
there have been recent successes using zinc doped Iron Nitride and sunlight


Brute force / DC electrolysis is a highly inefficient process.
Which calls into question the efficiency of conversion gas to liquid to gas.


Also that fuel cells ONLY deal with the electrical conversion energy, while wasting the heat.
Combustion provides a great deal more total available energy of recombination.
Tests show thermal energies that greatly exceed electrical input of the electrolyzer.
(often quickly approaching 10k F)


The mathematics presented by the Hydrogen community are chocked full of inequalities,
and obscure measurements, intended to follow the thermodynamic curve.


I think the most advantageous scenario would involve open air combustion to operate a steam boiler. ICEs waste more than their share of the Carnot.
Until we figure out how to recover the heat energy we throw away at the radiator and cooling fans,
the engine will remain a rudimentary technology.


There is also a considerable amount of energy presented during phase-change in the form of pressure and/or expanding volume.
If we were to design a system which recovered all three quantities:


phase change expansion
electrochemical energy
thermal energy of combustion


The three added together, under the right conditions
presents a value that approached E^3 when compared to electrical input.
If then, buoyancy is also considered, the equation becomes quadratic
and this violates most of what we understand about energy systems.


Mankind is at a fork in the road, where we will either continue along our path of destructive technology, or our science will branch off into economy powered by these forms of manipulation of matter. Hydrogen alone could create areas of science that replace everything in our known world, and once we figure that out we will explore other molecules.


There are still many political and economic forces fighting this from happening, but more and more people are beginning to experiment with these things.
It's only a matter of time before we develop principles which allow us to extract energy from natural processes and interactions with our environment.
It is often disregarded that we sit under 1 ATM of pressure, and within a gravitational field miles in height, both of which are countably infinite when placed beside our tiny human perspective.
We will be told these are "conservative forces", which when observed from their desired point of measurement, this holds in most cases.
However when motion is caused by natural forces, the energy becomes renewable, and can be used. For this reason, hydrogen systems can never be 'closed systems', therefore a thermodynamic analysis must include the environment as a whole, or at least the part in which the experiment resides.


Theres nothing that would prevent us from developing a system that:
Splits water then actuates a linear generator by expanding a balloon, balloon pulls a generator cable on its' way up, a hybrid fuel-cell combustion chamber then extracts electrical energy while releasing heat into an open bottom vessel,  the balloon contracts, which actuates a linear generator, the 'hot air vessel' pulls a generator cable on its way up,
And then... as the air in the open ended vessel cools down....
We extract the gravitational potential of the water on it's way down using the cable generator


it is all free renewable energy, at every step in the process


heres the thing about 'temperature' and HV:
It feels cold to us, but when the molecules are approaching the point of ionization,
the calculated thermal energy is very high. (molecules in motion)
we can add heat also
the line between breaking water and causing it to lase is very thin (you may see green light)
making water (more accurately Oxygen) lasers unstable due to gas production (and potential dangerous)
so they must be pulsed at specific frequencies to produce a stable laser
other frequencies can produce gas, as can a static HV potential
catalysts such as metals or dielectrics can enhance the process by providing an ionization charge
this essentially lowers the overall resistance of the liquid in the chamber.


Catalysts should be chosen using the lower end of the pauling scale for water, but other molecules will be different.
Zeolites contain magnesium and aluminum, both of these serve as catalysts, however the zeolite is destroyed in the process, as water and oxygen separates out, precipitating the 2 metals.



All in all, this line of research could change the way we generate and use energy.