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Is output four times the input?

Started by vineet_kiran, June 17, 2021, 04:44:12 AM

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lancaIV

Who thinks that the lever/-arm/-length can/wil not be applied here ?
Positive torque ( counterclockwise rotation)meets negative torque( clockwise rotation ) in _kirans delivered video demo !

Floor

@ LankaIV

       Not me.

          floor

vineet_kiran

Quote from: Floor on June 17, 2021, 11:14:18 AM
The simplest and most straight forward formula is, force times displacement
equals work.

Unless the device is receiving energy from the magnets,
the force available on one wheel is 1/4 of the force applied to the
other wheel while its displacement is 4 times greater.

That is true when diameters of two wheels are different.  For same diameter wheels, force has to be same on both wheels.  It is same as applying force on a single solid wheel in which force is equal at all points on the surface.

Floor

"That is true when diameters of two wheels are different.  For same diameter wheels, force has to be same on both wheels.  It is same as applying force on a single solid wheel in which force is equal at all points on the surface."

It is an interesting magnet interaction.

" For same diameter wheels, force has to be same on both wheels."

Not if the linkage between the wheels is through either, levers or magnetic forces.

  It is known, although not perhaps well known that...

Magnets can interact and in so doing behave in very much the same way as
mechanical levers interact. Gears and pulleys are round levers. No doubt.

The topic is is titled "Is output four times the input?"

If by out put in terms of distance... yes
If by out put in terms of energy...  I think not in this instance.

All I was stating, was that...

trading force for distance, whether accomplished using levers or by using magnets...
    neither...
in and of itself, is an indication of free energy or a net gain in work done.

Keep up the good work
        regards
             floor





vineet_kiran

Quote from: Floor on June 17, 2021, 09:25:25 PM

Magnets can interact and in so doing behave in very much the same way as
mechanical levers interact. Gears and pulleys are round levers. No doubt.

Magnetic field is non-physical and is flexible.  A lever is made of solid material with solid bonding.  You can hit somebody with a lever but not with magnetic field.  When two magnets interact, the force acts on the base ie., on magnets from which field originates.  On a lever, the force acts on the point of application.  You cannot take distance between magnets as lever length because force acts on the base(magnet).