Stanley Meyer information

[pauldude000]

Paul,
As you have your Hydrogen extraction thinking cap on,   I want to point out that I am thinking of the problem in an INVERTED way.Where there is water, there is Oxygen as well as Hydrogen.If you extract the Oxygen what are you left with?Apparently Ozonators are a huge technology.
When you have your water cell / capacitor as bubbles are produced the capacitance changes from instant to instant.I am studying patent US3,800,210  now "SYSTEM FOR THE ELECTRIC SUPPLY OF A VARABLE CAPACTIVE LOAD" Notice figure 10.And I wonder if Stan ever looked at patent US3,899,685.

Pure oxygen is O2. Ozone is in interesting duck at O3, a allotrope of oxygen that is unstable and easily broken down to an O ion and O2.


I looked up the patent, and it was issued in 1975. Stanley's big start on hydrogen would be between 1980 -- the date he patented his last solar project -- and 1982 when he patented his first hydrogen device.  Is it possible? Yes and no. Most inventors hire Patent Lawyers for a reason, especially back then. Today, we are spoiled as heck, as we can look at patents with a simple internet search. Back in the 70's and 80's what we have today was just a huge wet dream, if that. You had to physically go to the patent office to research patents, or hire a Lawyer to do it for you. It is possible, but doubtful.


He may well have READ something in a technical journal, magazine (numerous at the time highlighted new technology), or science journal though. Unlike today, reading back then was common. I graduated High School in the 80's, so take my word for it, lol. The coil setup in fig 10 is interesting.

[pauldude000]

I have already had one person saying "I don't have a clue" in essence, so I am going to start breaking down the relevant information with SOURCES.

Method for the production of a fuel gas
Patent number: 4936961
Abstract: A method for obtaining the release of a fuel gas mixture including hydrogen and oxygen from water in which the water is processed as a dielectric medium in an electrical resonant circuit.
Type: Grant
Filed: June 16, 1988
Date of Patent: June 26, 1990
Inventor: Stanley A. Meyer

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/stanley-meyer

What can we learn from this Patent? MUCH!!!


First of all, just from the abstract we learn that the water itself is the DIELECTRIC MEDIUM of a RESONANT CIRCUIT. Inside the patent is a wealth of critical information.


"Objects of the Invention"


The "fuel cell" is specifically referred to as a water capacitor. (literal, not figurative, you will see in a moment.)


"Description Of The Preferred Embodiment"


Contained in this section is wall to wall "how it works" information and descriptions of how it is done.


The water between the plates is the dielectric of the capacitor. The capacitor is what he often referred to in the videos as a "resonant cavity." There is a reason - continuing from this section of the patent under (a) - The resonant circuit is a resonant charging choke circuit with an inductance in series with the capacitor. For those who do not know what a resonant charging choke circuit is, that is a circuit where the positive voltage is fed into an inductance to a capacitor, finally to ground. (+LC-) 


Under (b) we learn that the capacitor ("fuel cell") is subjected to a pulsating UNIPOLAR (DC not AC) electric voltage field where the polarity does not pass beyond an arbitrary ground (no arcing). We also learn that the applied unipolar "field charges the molecules and causes them to be distended (expanded or otherwise stretched) by their subjection to electrical polar forces." 


Under (c) we learn that the electric field is pulsating (pulsed DC, not "alternating" AC). The purpose of the applied resonating field is to induce a corresponding resonance within the water molecule itself.


Think of it this way, when the field is strong, the molecule stretches. When it relaxes, the molecule relaxes. A water molecule is two "arms" of hydrogen flexing around a much larger single "body" of oxygen. With each set of wave pulses in a unipolar resonant circuit, the circuit gains energy and the strength of the resonance increases -- and so does the stretch on each molecule. If the water molecules stretch too far, the hydrogen atoms will shear off, not having a choice in the matter.


This basically covers the "what s happening and how, but seriously folks


READ THE ENTIRE PATENT.


It even gives SPECIFIC directions of how various coils are made, of what gauge wire, how many turns, what BRAND and size of toroidal core!!!! It even tells diode types to use and why, with more detailed explanation than you could hope for with this type of replication. It is as close to "how to build it yourself 101" as you will EVER find.


Specifically, again, Patent number 4936961 "Method for production of a fuel gas"




To get an understanding of what he did, this patent makes it obvious. 50% duty cycle square wave is fed into a ~ 5X step up transformer creating high voltage, low current.  This 50% now high voltage DC pulse is fed into an air core inductance which, at collapse of the field, creates another identical DC pulse with a slight gap in between pulses.... that is how you make the funky wave shapes his patents describe. One air core inductance yields a two pulse wave train. Two creates four. Three creates eight, etc., geometrically increasing with each coil. The total wave-train then is fed into the capacitor setup. This induces a charge field across the capacitor (charges the capacitor). Because it is DC, the capacitor holds the charge, like any capacitor. The next wave train to hit it further charges the capacitor, and so on, until the dielectric polarization stress on the molecules becomes too great, and the attraction of the positively charged hydrogen atoms becomes greater than the attraction of the negatively charged oxygen atom holding them in place, and the molecules start to fracture.


The initial circuit may well be able to be built and controlled with a simple 555 timer circuit pulsing a high-voltage NPN tranny! Since you are trying to eliminate amps in favor of pure voltage to create an A (electric) field, without caring about the B (magnetic) field, that simplifies things a lot.


Further in the patent, it is noted that you will have to find the frequency for a given cell/inductance. Capacitance is easy, as water has a dielectric constant of 78.54 at 20 degrees Celsius, so it is a matter figuring plate area, separation distance between plates, and dielectric constant, all plugged into the capacitance calculator just like any other capacitor. Figure out the inductance of the choke coil, then use a LC resonance calculator to find the series resonant frequency of the circuit. Use your O-scope to check your frequency and waveform, and bata-boom.

For the person who hinted I didn't know squat about Stanley Meyer's tech? I call the BS card buddy.


Paul Andrulis

[kolbacict]

And why only should water decompose into elements at resonance and high voltage?
Porcelain insulators are used in various radio engineering devices.
Rather high voltages are applied to them, and very different frequencies.
Why don't they resonate and scatter into atoms?
Copper wires carry different currents at different frequencies.
Why has no one ever seen a wire evaporate into atoms?
Why exactly water !?

[pauldude000]

And why only should water decompose into elements at resonance and high voltage?
Porcelain insulators are used in various radio engineering devices.
Rather high voltages are applied to them, and very different frequencies.
Why don't they resonate and scatter into atoms?
Copper wires carry different currents at different frequencies.
Why has no one ever seen a wire evaporate into atoms?
Why exactly water !?

Curious, what makes you think water is the only substance that breaks down "at resonance and high voltage"? This is all basic chemistry. The force that holds atoms together is called a "chemical bond". These bonds can be covalent, ionic, etc. The field produced and how it is distributed determines the strength of the bond. The individual bonds are NOT high energy, like the force that holds atoms themselves together. Concerning the stronger of the chemical bonds, specifically covalent bonds, it is usually less than 10eV. Hydrogen tends to form an ionic bond (hydrogen bond), which is the weaker of the two mentioned, but this weak bond only joins water molecules to each other and are not the stronger covalent bond that holds the hydrogen atoms to an oxygen atom to form an individual water molecule. The water molecule formed in its normal relaxed state takes a V shaped structure, but with changes of energy the shape can stretch out into a straight line, allowing the molecular structure formed to be able to move, wobble, or "vibrate." This is all known science, nothing new here.


Porcelain (clay fired at high temperatures) is not water and has completely different chemical properties -- apples to oranges.


High frequency breakdown issues happen with varnish, epoxy, and many other really good insulators, with numerous published articles on the subject. High frequency electrolysis is not even new, as there are various technical papers available proposing how to stop it accidentally in such things as batteries. As far as dielectric failure? That problem is as old as the applied concept of capacitors. Covalent (chemical) bonds are broken quite easily if the conditions are right and happen all of the time in nature, I suggest you research the subject. Covalent bonding is all about charge and electron interaction between atoms on an atomic scale.


As far as what will be affected as well as how much a given material will be affected, that is going to be determined by numerous factors, such as inherent covalent bonds etc.


Wires evaporating? I suggest you research the concept of electroplating, lol, where an electric field strips atoms from a conductor, current carried the atoms through a conductive medium, and deposit them on another oppositely charged conductor.


You make it out as if water is something special, but I assure you it isn't -- To turn the question back on you, why is it that water breaks down before the electrodes disintegrate during electrolysis? The answer is the strength of the covalent bonds. Chemistry -- basic electron shell theory leading to chemical bond theory and how the fields of those bonds are spread over the molecular/crystalline structure of metals verses a dipolar molecular structure such as water.


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Understand that not much of any one thing Stanley did or taught was anything new. His non-standard use of known principles is unique. I want to make it clear that nothing is a magic wand, so to speak. High frequency, Resonance, High Voltage, etc., are not magic wands that can be waved at a subject to cause miraculous results. However, used and applied properly, each are capable of some pretty interesting effects that do not happen, or at least in the same manner, without them.


Paul Andrulis

[kolbacict]

Covalent (chemical) bonds are broken quite easily if the conditions are right and happen all of the time in nature, I suggest you research the subject.

I have a degree in chemistry.

High frequency breakdown issues happen with varnish, epoxy, and many other really good insulators, with numerous published articles on the subject.

Electrical breakdown is not that. You can talk a lot about the development of the process.
In the end, the matter ends with the thermal destruction of the substance.
In a Mylar capacitor, a giant electric field is applied to a thin film.
And completely different frequencies.
It could be expected that at some frequency the film would begin to break down.
But that doesn't happen.