Stanley Meyer information

[Sergh]

so tried. So the dissociation of water does not work.
A much higher voltage is needed for dissociation.

Why then does electrolysis run on 3 volts, you ask? Oh no, this voltage is not between the plates.

The voltage is applied across a very thin gap less than a nanometer wide.

Therefore, more than 5 million volts per millimeter is actually needed for electrolysis in the volume of water.

In any case, even if you were able to apply 5 million volts to the electrolyzer plates and this voltage did not break anything. Will such dissociation be of low energy cost? The same electrolysis will be obtained as with a voltage of 3 volts.

I assume that Stanley Meyer said and wrote in the patents not what it really was. Not at all. Absolutely nothing about how it worked. Like many inventors, he did not aim to teach how to do it, but only to earn money for himself. Like any business around you. In this case, he could not tell any truth.

The IHP's small thickness creates a strong electric field E over the separating solvent molecules. At a potential difference of, for example, U = 2 V and a molecular thickness of d = 0.4 nm, the electric field strength is
     E =   U/d   =    2    V / 0  ,  4    nm     = 5000    kV/mm   
https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/da4ba8df31ae5505297a4dce9eb6dbc380ba0a9f To compare this figure with values from other capacitor types requires an estimation for electrolytic capacitors, the capacitors with the thinnest dielectric among conventional capacitors. The voltage proof of aluminum oxide, the dielectric layer of aluminum electrolytic capacitors, is approximately 1.4 nm/V. For a 6.3 V capacitor therefore the layer is 8.8 nm. The electric field is 6.3 V/8.8 nm = 716 kV/mm, around 7 times lower than in the double-layer. The field strength of some 5000 kV/mm is unrealizable in conventional capacitors. No conventional dielectric material could prevent charge carrier breakthrough. In a double-layer capacitor the chemical stability of the solvent's molecular bonds prevents breakthrough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-layer_capacitance

[kolbacict]

The drawback to using water is the short length of time it can hold off the voltage, typically in the microsecond to ten microsecond (μs) range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor

[pauldude000]

Thus, in certain unusual situations, such as the generation of extremely high voltage but very short pulses, a water capacitor may be a practical solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor


Yes, water needs high frequency operation.... and? 1 microsecond to 10 microsecond pulses for 50% duration pulsed DC square wave, you are talking 500khz -- 1 Mhz for a full wave requires one microsecond for either AC or DC. 10 microseconds is equivalent to 100Khz full wavelength.



At DC 50% duty cycle, half of that is voltage at ground, so the voltage pulse is only half as long in time as the full wave cycle. You can run at much lower frequency by lowering the duty cycle. A Pulsed DC wave at 5 Khz and 25% duty cycle is a pulse length of 10 microseconds (same length pulse as 50% at 10X higher frequency or 50Khz), so you see how it works.
 
So, for 1 microsecond pulses to 10 microsecond pulses, we are only talking 50Khz to 500Khz using 50% duty cycle, or 5Khz to 50Khz 25% duty cycle, pulsed DC. No sweat, and within general range of what Stanley Meyer stated in one video. This range is the resonance frequency range needed for the LC circuit and would be the optimum matching input cycle for maximum resonance.

One microsecond sounds tiny, but in electronics is nothing. There are CMOS 555 timers stable out to 1 Mhz.


Paul Andrulis

[pauldude000]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor

I want to thank you for that link. I read the entire article. There were some interesting tidbits of information in there. I might actually start using water capacitors for some of my hiher frequency coil hobbies now.


Paul Andrulis

[kolbacict]

The field strength of some 5000 kV/mm is unrealizable in conventional capacitors. No conventional dielectric material could prevent charge carrier breakthrough. In a double-layer capacitor the chemical stability of the solvent's molecular bonds prevents breakthrough.

But there is no current in the capacitor. Can this cool electrical double layer of yours exist in the absence of current ?

So, for 1 microsecond pulses to 10 microsecond pulses, we are only talking 50Khz to 500Khz using 50% duty cycle, or 5Khz to 50Khz 25% duty cycle, pulsed DC.

But spark gaps do not operate at frequencies of tens of kilohertz. They are quite inertial.
In this regard, I have a question, how can a water Marx generator work? 
Wesley once suggested that radioactive materials were used in the spark gap.
But really, I don't know...