Maybe possible idea for duplicating effect of Holcomb and others

[citfta]

i didn't want to pollute anyone else's threads with my rambling ideas so decided to start my own thread.


If I understand the Holcomb effect and the Figuera effect and the efforts of UFO they all seem to rely on the idea of moving a virtual magnetic field past some coils.  I spent a little time working on a simple version of the Figuera effect and did see some transference of energy but not anywhere close to being efficient.  But my test setup was pretty crude.  With all the attention of the Holcomb device and the work being done by UFO I decided to spend some more time thinking about how this could be done more easily.  The following idea may be totally worthless but I won't know that until I try it out.  And I do plan to try it out.  But I thought I would put the idea out here for review and comments while I get things together to build my idea.


It seems to me that we need a good way to generate a moving magnetic field.  Well all AC induction motors have a moving magnetic field.  That is what causes them to rotate.  I also know that 3 phase power is much more efficient than single phase power.  But how to get a variable speed 3 phase signal that can also have the power level adjusted for testing purposes?  Well it turns out we have a easily gotten 3 phase power generator.  The standard automotive alternator is 3 phase power that gets rectified into DC.  It we remove the rectifier assembly we then can get a 3 phase power signal out.  If we remove the voltage regulator that is now most of the time internal to the alternator we can then apply an adjustable DC supply to the brushes to adjust the output voltage of our now 3 phase generator.


If we then turn the alternator with a small DC motor like one of the scooter motors many of us have used in the past we now have a 3 phase source of power that can be adjusted both in frequency and power out.


I think it was UFO that made a post a few days ago that maybe we should be energizing the outer stator and take power off the inner stator (formerly rotor).  If we take a second auto alternator and remove the rectifier assembly and regulator from it we could then feed our 3 phase power from our new power source directly to the 3 phase windings of the second alternator.  And then maybe we could take power from the brushes of the second alternator.  Of course we would need to lock the rotor of the second alternator as I believe it would probably try to turn with the 3 phase rotating field from the stator.  We may need to slowly adjust the position of the rotor for the best pick up of the energy from the stator.  Or maybe not.  Only testing will show if any energy at all can be generated this way.  But I plan to find out.


If the theories about using a virtual moving magnetic field are correct then a changing load on the second alternator should not cause an increase in the power going to the motor driving the first alternator.  Nor should a change in power being drawn from the second alternator require any increase in power going to the brushes of the first alternator.  Only testing will show if that is correct.


I welcome any CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions or ideas.


Thanks for reading.
Carroll

[bistander]

Hi citfta,
I think your plan works up until the last step. Using the Lundel (claw) 'rotor' with its single coil (concentric to shaft) will loose the effective moving magnetic field (RMF). It would simply be a pulsing alternating field.

Wouldn't hurt to try. I could be mistaken. And then again, when it doesn't work, forget about using the concentric coil. Turn down the claws to increase the air gap and insert coil(s), air core, in the gap glued to the claw. That is where that claimed atmospheric charge was collected, per recent article.
bi

edit:
Further thinking. With the air gap coil(s), keep original field coil (concentric to shaft) and energize it to apply a bias field on the air gap coil(s).

[citfta]

Hello Bi,


I think what you have written might be correct about the pulsing alternating field IF we allow the rotor to turn with the virtual rotating field.  But IF we lock the rotor so that the virtual magnetic field moves past the claws of the rotor then I think my idea might work.  Only testing will show what happens.  I hope to be able to work on this next week.  My weekend is already full.


Thanks for the input and for giving me something to think about.


Take care,
Carroll

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Citfta,

First, let me say that I am very happy to see that my experiments somehow triggered people like you, of great expertise on this fields, to actually decide to start building a prototype based on the same principles!!

Second, I will offer, if you decide, for you to open a New Topic on my Main Thread, as I will be moderating it for you...in case you do not want some negative comments or noise there.

I think your idea is great, however, you really need to make all possible analysis before starting to put it together.

IMO, Bistander is right about the positioning of the second set inner rotor coil, which will generate the output...
However, I also agree, like you have said, it should be tested as is, then see what is the outcome.

Once you start rotating the three phase field, the fixed rotor claws will see alternated polarity changes, which will transfer (orderly) to the perpendicular coil, and this fact will generate the field change required.

Alternator rotor is made of two main steel parts (which are basically 'caps' to the main coil), upper and lower, with the claws alternating like upper-lower tooth facing the phase shifting coils.
Once you start rotating the field, each claw will alternate polarity in an orderly fashion, which -in overall view of the whole assembly- will generate upper and lower rotor caps to alternate main poles which will affect the inner single coil...and so, I believe you will see some induction output.

Eventually, I believe you will need to change the main inner rotor coil wire to a thicker gauge and more length (more turns)...to obtain more output...

Happy building and my best wishes!!

Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Think about that 'inner' coil, the field coil which is concentric to the shaft or axis of rotation. Actually, in its normal operation, it does not need to rotate. It would work just the same in the alternator if held stationary while the steel claw rotated. In standard alternator operation, it, the field coil, produces the RMF. But that process being reversible, would simply induce DC in the coil.

Whether that matters in this quest is dubious in my opinion. I do find this an interesting experiment.

Please don't give Ufo authority to delete me.
bi