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Overunity Machines Forum



Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!

Started by am1ll3r, March 02, 2023, 07:32:40 PM

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bistander

Torque is not power. This is as fundamental as it gets. Torque is not power. Look it up. Also force is not power.

Really basic physics.
Power is the rate at which work is done or the rate at which energy is used, transfered or converted. Look it up.
bi

bistander

Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 04, 2023, 05:09:06 PM
Torque does not need to be related to speed at all. ...

This is a correct statement. Torque can be a static (motionless) feature or quantity, as in a measurement by a torque wrench. The torque is applied to the bolt and is there without motion.

But without motion, there is no power involved.
bi

Ufopolitics

Quote from: bistander on March 04, 2023, 05:41:40 PM
This is a correct statement. Torque can be a static (motionless) feature or quantity, as in a measurement by a torque wrench. The torque is applied to the bolt and is there without motion.

Thks Bi,

Quote from: bistander on March 04, 2023, 05:41:40 PM
But without motion, there is no power involved.
bi

Now, here I disagree, as we are entering into "power" definition...as it depends on what power we are referring to, example electric power does not require motion when it comes from a battery...
However, coming back to torque and power...yes, you are right that torque bolts down to a Vector of Force and not necessarily to power itself in many applications.

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Ufopolitics
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stivep

 I agree to that.
Torque can be divided into two categories, either static or dynamic.
The difference between them lies in the produced effect.
If the torque produces a reactive force, the torque is considered a static torque
.
On the other hand, the torque is a dynamic torque if it produces a rotation.
-but  we have rotation in  the device in  question.
Wesley

bistander

Quote from: bistander on March 02, 2023, 10:18:07 PM
He's discovered cogging.
bi

Expanding on my earlier post:

QuoteCogging torque of electrical motors is the torque due to the interaction between the permanent magnets of the rotor and the stator slots of a permanent magnet machine. It is also known as detent or no-current torque. This torque is position dependent and its periodicity per revolution depends on the number of magnetic poles and the number of teeth on the stator. Cogging torque is an undesirable component for the operation of such a motor. It is especially prominent at lower speeds, with the symptom of jerkiness. Cogging torque results in torque as well as speed ripple; however, at high speed the motor moment of inertia filters out the effect of cogging torque.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogging_torque

This cogging is strictly between the rotor magnets and stator teeth.

In one of Mike's videos he shows the torque sensor graphs (from the torque transducers at input and output on the apparatus). Unfortunately I can't read the data. But the average torques are equal minus a slight friction, aerodynamic and core loss. Since the input and output RPM are equal, input and output power are equal, minus the mentioned small loss. The instantaneous torques will differ, but average torque per revolution times the RPM yields power.
bi