Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[NerzhDishual]

Hi Gyulasun (& everybody),

I think your calculations are ok but the charging time you consider 1/25 sec I think is way too rapid. Why do you see the cap charges up to 6V under one revolution;  which is the video you estimated it from?
The video Stefan uploaded in the first post of this thread, didn't it?
( winmotor_full.wmv )   

If we consider a 10 sec time period under which the 47mili_F cap charges up from about 0V to 4.5V (time between 00:12 to 00:22 from the video and the voltage from the meter), then calculation gives about 4.52V source voltage, right? (consider 40 Ohms coil resistance for R value, not 10 Ohms, ok?)

If this is so, then the voltage source is always a few tens of mili_V higher only than the cap voltage and this sounds correct through the 40 Ohms and during the slow charging time, I think.

In other words, I don't think we can say something is wrong / suspicious just from these calculations. It sounds reasonable.  Agree?

Thanks a lot for your remarks. I do agree with all of them.

I use my spare time attempting to reproduce this device. I have not still taken the time to read all the posts. Of course: the more I wait the more I'm lost. )

However, I have seen that this device is now controversed (you bet it is )) and that a guy have made a faked one with a small hidden 9V battery. BTW : what are the motivations of this person?

So, I was just wondering: Why not making some simple calculations to 'roughly' figure out if this  device could be 'possible'. I'm not a scientist. This 1/25 second was just an (unfortunate) example.

Actually:  you opened my eyes. I was so excited to get my own replication that I even did not take enough time to carefully watch the vid!

I had a more attentive view to this very vid and I saw that it actually tooks about 10 seconds to get the cap charged up to more than 4 volts...I also saw that this motor seems not to run so "smoothtly". Sounds like it were stalling during a split second. Perhaps is it the vid (or my computer) that is stammering?

If it is not the case that is a good point. An hidden battery would not make the motor behaving the same way? Would it?
Best

[z_p_e]

db,

Thanks for the reply.

I hoped it would be a little more dramatic.  I attached an old post with Mikes "D2" scope shots for visual reference of how much his changed with and without the ssr functioning.

I'd say those positive spikes are somewhat dramatic. The difference between Mike's and mine... I have not yet been able to figure the reason, but I speculate that it may have something to do with the ratios of inductance between the 3 coils. Both at switch ON and OFF of L2, one can clearly see part of the clean sine wave present for some of the waveform afterwards. This effect I have not yet duplicated, but I will be working on it. If I can sipher this out, I'm confident the model will then be almost complete.

I wonder if anyone out there that has wound these coils as per Mike, could measure their inductances and resistances. This would let me know if I am in the ball park. I am going to try doubling the inductance of L1 and L3 and see what effect that has.

Oh, and just in case anyone thinks the apparent offset difference in the two scope shots of Mike's (equivalent to my D2 shots) is significant or part of the effect, I would argue that this is not the case. It looks as though Mike moved the vertical offset on his scope in order to capture on the screen the ou spike when the Hall is ON.

Thanks,
Darren

[acidbreaker]

The last post from the user z_p_e!!!
I think you are absolutelly correct it depends on right set up of the coils!!!
Follow this !!


Friends!! 
I think i have found out how it works (using brainwashing with my frineds also :-))
Please be very carefull about these experiments, because it can move two ways + -
And it can do wondefull or scarefull things!

Please be carefull, because maybe it is possible to increase the speed of rotation and it could explode or implode - depends of the rotation  !!!! and other things (but i am a little bit scared to tell you ;-))

I am thinking about how to explain the theory the more simplest way that you and other people will understand this effect.
It is about making these things like a toys - the SPP-48 motor is that toy!!!

Please stay tuned, my brain capacity is expanding as i am focusing on this thing!!
Did you mention that?   
focus - lens :-)

I am really tired of thinking,
I will try to do an experiment which proves these facts.

And now the think why i am a little bit scared about this technology:
the picture in the attachment :-)

These pictures are taken out of a sound program which use kind of synthesis where a few math functions is aplied.
and this is the grahical look. The objects morph in each other just depends on the input parameters!!!!!!
Think of it!!!!!
This could proove the existence of god or something like that.
These images are mathematical patterns which are created when we are moving to the center or out of the center of the lens.
I have to think of this more because i feel i am close to understand the whole thing!
Look at the picture you can find the patterns in every where in all kind of sciences!!
We are close, all of us.
Just look or try to do some positive investigation on these things

I am sorry that i am "off topic" :-)) i am also working on a motor prototype with my friend
waiting for the magnets.
I will try to do experiment with two devices
one with 4 ferit magnets and one with 4 neodym magnets. (It will show the difference)
I just have to matematically calculate it to find out the best set up.

Please stick up for me, bot not a lot 
I will tell you more tomorow i am relly tired.....

Additionall:
accelerator of the particles at CERN is that motor but it is going the oposite way!
So it is i think dangerous - big explosion or implosion could occur if my theory will be proven as a fact......... that is the last idea before short sleep 

[dingbat]

I wonder if anyone out there that has wound these coils as per Mike, could measure their inductances and resistances. This would let me know if I am in the ball park. I am going to try doubling the inductance of L1 and L3 and see what effect that has.

These are Mike's description of his coils:

I use (28 gauge .012 in. main)

(30 gauge .010 in. trigger, generator)

I get a little over 40 ohms each


the main winding is longer than the generator and trigger windings. I did not count #turns sorry.

Mike's quote on the voltages of all the coils:

4.5v ac main winding
2.2v ac trigger winding
2.8 v ac third winding

The scope shots from his motor also give us good clues about the ratio between the coils.

Since the trigger and third winding actually have the same number of turns, and they are the same physical size, I would think they would be very close to the same inductance, even though the wire is slightly different size.  The resistance would be a little different.

The "main" winding - L2 - must be a higher inductance than the other two - perhaps twice as much, since the voltage is close to twice the other two windings. (since the voltage would be proportional to the number of turns, and so would the inductance)

I would guess twice the inductance on L2, and twice the resistance.
He says the trigger and 3rd windings are about 40 ohms.  I would guess L2 at 80 ohms.

For sure L2 has to have more turns than L3, because if it didn't it couldn't contribute to the charging due to the diodes.

[z_p_e]

db,

I calculated wire length from resistance and wire diameter. Then from this and the approximate dimensions of the coil, the number of turns was calculated.

From number of turns comes inductance. Since L2 has roughly twice as many turns as L1, and L3, L2 should have 4X the inductance, which is what you see on my diagram.

Here is the scope shot of all coils, open circuit, no switching, running at 666 RPM: