Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

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hotspringstrading,

This is not a criticism, but I must say that I can not understand much of what is in your posts. Probably my defect. So having said that, I can not argue with you, because I do not understand your position.

So I'll just say that those who believe inductors de-energize in a positive direction....don't just say they do, show me!

I can show you 3 different replicators' (that's 3 different people) scope shots that clearly show the cemf spikes in the NEGATIVE direction, and my model confirms this as well.

I strongly suggest that before anyone jumps to such unfounded conclusions....do some homework and/or experimentation of your own.

I realize that many here have little electronics experience, and most likely little practise with a scope, so confusion does happen occassionaly.

Stating that Mike's scope shots are correct as presented (i.e. not inverted) is only doing a dis-service to this project, especially to those with little experience.

Darren

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Easy to confuse with scope stuff. Most folks do confuse current flow as voltage. Unless you use a current probe, it is the conversion of current to voltage you see on the scope.

Part of the problem with this item.

The scope shot in question is invalad any way.

The question in this sytem is how he charges the cap so fast.

The law does come into play during the gen cycle. No way around it even with centrifical force.

The only place the cap can be charged that fast is on the flyback cycle. Even worse to do so it must go with the ringing that can be made to happen by the switching curcit going on more than the extra time.

Problem is it can not be powered by the main capacitor, so how did Mike do such.

Well after looking over diferent curcits for them solid state relays, there is anoughter capacitor that can be used.

Sollid state relay was placed between positive and collecter of PNP. This is a normal closed switch, meaning it will open (turn off) with the hall IC. Has that other thing going for it there of reducing the loss over the PNP.

The rectifyer was only conected to the third (generator) coil.

The extra diode goes across the Main capacitor of corse so it will not short it. It also alowed the capacitor in the switch to feed current in the proper direction during the motor curcit turn on that will use that capacitor charge instead of the main one.
It is still a ballance I am working on. But it does give the main an extra boost, instead of loss that will be used to drive the motor.


The problem mike has is that when he got his new switch ;the curcitry was changed in them: It most likly will not do what Mikes original switch did. What was in the original is simply a capacitor and resistor posibly a diode ( some split the ac input) so that the switch in off position is an open.

The new one uses two capacitors and a transient surge protecter. Whole diferent game.  With out putting a capacitor resistor in the curcit his motor never ran itself again.

If it was not for these fact I would easly say it was faked. 

The hall or switch will not even kick in untill about 4.5 volts. The switch would have to be in the open position until voltage is reached or the cap would never charge enough to run the thing.

That this thing will run itself  is even still in question; if the ballance can be achived . From Mikes vidio it should.

Folks have to remeber that those solid state relays are not a switch. in the normal terms. In this case it is an unknown box of electronic parts.

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The problem mike has is that when he got his new switch ;the curcitry was changed in them: It most likly will not do what Mikes original switch did. ......The new one uses two capacitors and a transient surge protecter. Whole diferent game.  With out putting a capacitor resistor in the curcit his motor never ran itself again.

I believe if you go back and read Mike's posts, he did in fact get the motor working again with the new Crouzet relay! So that theory is irrelevant.

The hall or switch will not even kick in untill about 4.5 volts. The switch would have to be in the open position until voltage is reached or the cap would never charge enough to run the thing.

This is a good observation. So this means the cap initially charges only due to generator action from L3 (and possibly L2 if the circuit is as Peter traced it from the video), and possibly from L2's bemf?

It seems that if the cap could charge that quickly without the ou mechanism (i.e. S1 & Hall) to 4.5 Volts, why would the ou part even be required for it to self-run?

Darren

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if you folks are using the replacment ssr it will not work due to the snuber curcit has been changed. This can be replicated.  The diode is for feedback to cause the triger coil to turn on the curcit.

Mike just left out the positive conecton to were the diode is.

Added "he did in fact get the motor working again with the new Crouzet relay!'

Nope: Mike never said self runing did he?

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http://home.valornet.com/hotspringstradingie/cmkie.jpg

if you folks are using the replacment ssr it will not work due to the snuber curcit has been changed. This can be replicated.  The diode is for feedback to cause the triger coil to turn on the curcit.

Mike just left out the positive conecton to were the diode is.

Added "he did in fact get the motor working again with the new Crouzet relay!'

Nope: Mike never said self runing did he?

No Mike didn't say later that it was self-running. Mike never said it was self-running, he said that it ran with only a capacitor. It was working.

Later he had a few bad components, and it was not working anymore. Then with his new Hall, cap, and SSR, he said it was working again. Since everyone was congratulating him on getting it working again, we have to assume that it was working as before, because he did not say anything to the contrary, right?

The diode is for feedback to cause the triger coil to turn on the curcit.

This is incorrect. The diode you pointed out in the diagram does not cause Q1 to turn ON, magnetic induction to L1 does.

btw, these SSR's are normally open, not closed.

Darren