Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[NerzhDishual]

Hi Z_P_E

To be more accurate (as far as I'm able to be  :

I have made 4 'bedini-like' motors.

3 SSGs.
http://www.freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG1.jpg
http://www.freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG2.jpg
http://www.freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG3.jpg

And one window motor. http://freenrg.info/Window_Motor/

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SSG1 is made from a bicycle wheel and 12 magnets.
It runs slowly. I have made very few measurement on it.
It runs on a 4.5 amp / 12.5 vols bat and seems to be able to charge 2 others same bats. I have put a bicycle speed counter to see the RPM. As I can remember this RPM is about 60-100. On the picture you can see a small analogical DC amp meter but it is not wired!!!

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SSG2 is made from 'recovery' stuff (from a meteorogical wind speed sensor).
It has 8 magnets (the same used for SSG1).
It run on a 720 mili_amps/9.6 volts bat (8*1.2volts) and is able to charge 2 others same depleted batts (I have not tried to charge more batts). I have made more measurements on it. It draws about 60-80 DC mili_amps (according to a digital meter) when the  2N3055 base is tuned with the 1K potentiometer.

I have also plotted some diagrams with one input bat and one output bat. On these diagrams one can see that the output batt voltage is increasing while the input batt voltage is 'less decreasing'. Perfect!
Due to a computer crash, I have lost these diagrams (I should had them saved somewere. But Where?). As you can see I'm not so organized  .

Anyway, the output bat was not so charged and the measured voltage was very optimistic...  I mean : When one of these bats is normally charged (grid wired) it can run a small noisy motor during about one hour and when it it charged with my Bedini SGG2 'energiser' it can run the same motor during only 15 to 20 minutes.
Ok, my batts are not in a good shape but the SSG is not given for an over-unity device. Is it?

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SSG3 is made from a computer HD. The 8*2 fridge magnets are very very  weak.
Indeed the coils turns are also 'weak'.

To me it is mere gizmo. It run on a 720 mil_amp 7.2 (6*1.2 volts) batt.
I have not even tried to charge others batts with it.
It can glow a small neon bulb (which can't be seen on the picture) and charge caps apparently very fast. But if you do the maths, I bet that you will see nothing unusual.
It does not draw less than 150-200 DC mili_amps even with the 2N3055 base  1K pot tuned.

Anyway, I was puzzled with the swiftness of this (bad) SSG3 cap charging (according to the Henries) versus the slowness of the window motor.

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About the window motor:

6 magnets. (same magnets as for SSG1 and SSG2).
The coils were wounded on a 10 cm * 10 cm cardboards. These cardboards were cut off after the winding. The coils thickness are about 2 cm.

L1 and L2 are bifilar. L3 is not (it is wounded 'alone').
L3 is placed above L1-L2.

L1 (trigger) = 85 ohms - 65 mili_H  (0.25 m/m = #33)
L2           = 53 ohms - 64 mili_H  (0.40 m/m = #25)
L3           = 58 ohms - 83 mili_H  (0.40 m/m = #25)

H'm ? something wrong with l3? I will check it tomorrow 
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If you are interested in I can do more measurements.

Best

[z_p_e]

Hi ND.

Thanks for all your measurements and post.

I am curious how you measure your current draw because I believe this is one area where most people are getting fooled by their meters.

Most people probably do not realize that unless their meter is a true RMS meter and with a decent crest factor, their measurements will be meaningless.

If not using a true RMS meter, then the only other method is to use a current shunt and an oscilloscope.

As far as measurements, yes your L3 coil for the window motor seems suspect when compared to the L2 values. After you have sorted out these two coils, I would appreciate seeing oscilloscope shots across all 3 coils while the motor is running. Vert and Horiz settings included would be helpful also.

Obviously you have put a lot of work and effort into your motors....well done.

Regards,
Darren

[z_p_e]

One conclusion as a result of my previous capacitor charging tests:

In order to charge the 47000u capacitor to the same end voltage, and at the same rate as shown in Mike's video, regardless if bemf is helping the charge or not, the open circuit coil voltage must be 7.5Vp, or 15Vpp when running at 345 RPM.

This assumes that Mike's motor had the capacitor mainly if not exclusively charging off the Main (L2) coil, and that this coil was constructed of #28 wire with 480 turns on a 4.4" x 4.6" rectangular former.

One coil (Peter's) constructed this way had a series resistance of about 50 Ohms, and an inductance of 49.6mH. This is what I have used in these tests with my motor model.

The next challenge is to figure out how once the transistors start switching and drawing current off the capacitor, the capacitor is able to recover from this current draw and continue to increase in charging voltage.

The following is a concept-drawing of one theory I conceived and will investigate next. L2 and L3 are always in series, but coil drive is only from L2.

Darren

[hartiberlin]

Hi Darren,
well done.

Yes, I guess, if Mike?s motor is not a fake,
it must besomething like your new posted schematic,
as he said, he had mainly L2and L3 in series for better charging.

Looking forward to your building results.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

[z_p_e]

For reference, below are Mike's original schematic as presented to us, and an updated schematic eliminating the S1/D2 connection between L2 and L3, and showing two possible shorts as mentioned by Mike.

From Mike's original schematic, L2 and L3 could be viewed as being either in series OR parallel. The point is now moot however.

If no shorts exist between L2 and L3, then their only interaction is through mutual coupling.

Darren