Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

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Guys,

I haven't yet begun tracing the wiring seen in Mike's video per Peter's drawing of it, but I must say that if Mike's scope shots are worth anything at all, so far the original circuit checks out.

It has been noted that R2 does not seem to be connected to gnd, and is on V+ instead. I have sim'd that too, and although it has no real affect on the coil waveforms, it does affect the D2 shot, and the D2 shot looks like Mike's only when R2 is on gnd.

I've pointed out that the ssr shown in the video doesn't seem like it would be switching anything, because of the connections, however, switching can be clearly seen in Mike's D2 scope shot.

What to make of it all? I don't know, just keep trudging on I guess.

It's too bad that Mike didn't give the volts/div and timebase settings for his 3 coils scope shots. So far the most confusion and apparent error(s) has been with the coils, and I feel it's important to get this right. Voltage levels are important. Which coil is which is important, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are mixed up somewhere. From looking closely at the ends where they are and were twisted together, it's not unreasonable to suspect they could be shorted together at one end.

Perhaps Mike discovered when he went to build his second copy, it did not work, because of a hidden error in the first one, and has been trying to find what this "error" is ever since.

One clue we can perhaps use to our advantage, is Mike suggested we connect a FWB to L2 and charge the cap from this, while running the motor from a battery. He said that with proper timing of S1 dumping the cap charge into the battery, Ibat should drop off to nearly zero. I'm not sure how this is possible, but I think it is more likely that Vbat stops decreasing over time. The idea being that the cap discharge received by the battery once every revolution replenishes what the battery used to run the circuit/motor in that revolution.

Having said this, what battery voltage did Mike run his motor from??? It would have to be: Vbat<=Vcap correct?

He also said that this configuration should charge the cap up to 6V while spinning the rotor by hand. These are good clues...use them.

Darren

[Peterae]

Hi Darren
what do you make of the extra wire from the M-
I am also unable to see the bread board layout so i have asumed that to be correct in the film.
Peter

[z_p_e]

Hi Darren
what do you make of the extra wire from the M-
I am also unable to see the bread board layout so i have asumed that to be correct in the film.
Peter

Peter.

Yes very interesting, because what you have drawn there is approaching what I just described above. Originally, Mike had the bridge fed from L2, not L3. The way you have drawn it, it's like he added L3 and the SSR to this configuration later.

L3 would not be charging the cap continuously this way though.

As I said, Mike could have had things mixed up, although I keep goiong back to the waveforms, and for the most part they look the same using the circuit we were given.

I'll try this new circuit of yours later tonight when I get home.

Darren

[Peterae]

Thanks Darren.
also worth noting, it has occured to me that if i take the layout on the video and reverse all the wires on the terminal strip from 1 end to the other, you have a prety close circuit, but with the windings for the main and gen swapped. so ineffect you have the gen winding across the bridge altho the gen winding then becomes the main winding.Its confused me -- it could confuse Mike if thats what happened as well

Peter

[z_p_e]

Peter.

Yeah, and after I determined that the Gen and Main wires were the same gauge, I thought this as well, that they could be swapped by mistake.

I ran a sim of this a number of days ago, and it didn't seem to change the waveforms much as I recall. I'll have to try this again and pay closer attention to the results this time.

Darren

PS. On the way to work, I think I've come up with a way to modulate the k factor (coupling coefficient) of the coils to simulate the magnet's proximity.