Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..

[nwman]

Thanks for the info everyone. I would not deny that he has a working motor using the composite magnets but with out properly testing it there could be other explanations for the gain. Like one for example The configuration is merely making the electromagnet more efficient but still no gain? Even if it is "just' more efficient he is a rich man.

I hold my judgement about it until his motor turns a generator which can in turn power the motor and produce excess energy. I have seen many designs that seemed undeniable and only needed one small thing but ended up not working. Its the only way to keep myself sane is to not assume anything, but maybe hope.

Another questions I have is if he has a working prototype (from what I understand a 1/2 horse power) then why couldn't he just go down to the store and buy a small gas 1/2 horse generator and pull the gas motor out and hook up his motor. It seems, if what I understand to be true, that his motor should make almost twice the power it needs to run. Simply put some kind of resistor/converter  setup (as needed) on the power out put and plug his motor in. If I could come see it work in person I would fly there next week and buy the generator myself.

Tim

[casman1969]

Tim,
Your thoughts have already been echoed here. I am just waiting for his health to improve to do just that. As for the 1/2 HP generator, do you have or know of a source for it. Closest I've found is a Honda 1KW portable gen. Can probably find it or an equuivalent on E-Bay and trust me, I'll have one when he allows me to return. I would prefer something just a little smaller, say 500W as it would be a better match and have a better chance for successfully closing the loop. Also keep in mind that he's developing that HP on the geared down shaft so whatever gen set you use will have to produce between 150 and 200 watts @ 450 to 500 RPM. That is why the Dyno test might be a better choice. At least it should be the first test.

Carl

[nwman]

@nwman

If you can, just start by helping Jack to get it patented.

@all

I occurs to me that while Jack is getting all this sorted out, it does not stop us here to investigate other avenues.

I am particularly inclined to think the motor does not really need a rotor. If the mag field can be controlled in the manner it is being controlled, or shifted, just put the valves inside a generator stator with a new type of orientation and pulse the valve to shift a field over the stator and produce juice without turning a rotor.


Here is a link to a thread that has recently been started and may provide more information on what I am thinking may be possible.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4831.msg101674.html#msg101674

@wattsup,

I was thinking along the same lines as you. Could you not just take Steve's (Nali2001) setup that he showed back on page 8
http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/MagnetExtraPower.wmv
And wrap a coil around the other U shaped piece. Then attach a meter to the coil and it should show more voltage coming out then whats going in. I'm not an electrical guy at all but I think that should work?

@Carl,

Thanks for your patients with me. I know it get annoying when the same idea come up over and over again. I'm just trying to get caught up to speed. So far I think its a brilliant idea and I want to be a part of it if I can. I'll take look around and see what I can find for a generator. So, you have a portable Dyno? Do you live in the same state as Jack? What State is he in?
I'm going to keep trying and read through the thread.

Tim

[Nali2001]

Hi all just a drop in some thoughts and observations.
Building a 'transformer' or solid state generator, just by adding coils to the thing seen in http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/MagnetExtraPower.wmv absolutely does not work. I have been at that concept long before I was making the Hildenbrand replication. There a lot of things that prevent it from working. The first problem (and I'm sure a lot of you would not see it as a problem, although it is, trust me) is building an efficient dc transformer, Since that is what it would be in this case a 'permanent magnet assisted dc square wave transformer' But if you test these things your first problem is that in between the dc pulse cycles the core needs to 'reset' its saturation level (get rid of all magnetism) if you don't, your next dc input will be useless since the core is still saturated and so will not induce an field change and starts drawing big amps, and without a field change there is no output. But how you do that? How do you get a core to go to a 'zero magnetism' state between each dc pulse? In a normal ac transformer it does not matter since the next input cycle is of reverse polarity and so will forcefully flip the magnetic orientation and so induce a true field change - hence there is a good output. But in this case we are talking dc and so you bombard the core each time with the same polarity and so unless the core 'resets' its magnetism on its own you won't have a working (that is efficient) system. In my tests I have found that it can not be done with normal transformers, the only cores that might be up to the task are grain aligned core, or more precisely the C shaped cores I use. But there is a lot more to it besides this issue alone. This is as far as I ever came, and only with these cores I use. The circuit is also important since there are certain (important) things that must, and must not be done (and no it's not o.u by far) http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/DcMagnetTransformer.wmv
Here is and old vid showing why normal transformer steel does not work for dc transformers (that is to a usable extend) http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/CoreTests.wmv

Regards,
Steven

[JackH]

Hello All,

Well the transformer is not a good way to go.  I worked with transformers for a couple years, using grain oriented and none grain orented steel.  The only way I could get it to be stable is by using an old DC radio vibrator(car-tube type) and I had to run it very slow.

Well I think I will come to my sences in about three weeks and let casman1969 come up in a few weeks and test this motor I have.  I would rathure build a radial motor(2 " magnets)  with two valves energizing at the same time, and the valves running on about 50 vdc.  I think that would be a test and a half, the other radial engine(1 " magnets) I have build purty good power on one hundred watts.

Well I am also going to build a car to put this new radial engine in.  I allready have the motorcycle weels and all the bearings to put it togather.  All I need is the steel to build the chasie.   Any one wants to help with this project, I will sale a share in the car for $5000.00.
Or if you just want to donait, I will keep trake of everybody that donates and include the in on the car.  I really think you need to prove an engine like this or no body will beleive in you.   Thats the trouble I have had in the past.  Ohyea, anybody that wants to come to my shop is very welcome to come as long as they make an apointment.

I go for a Doctor visit next week and I think I am feeling purty good, and I think I got rid of this ALS.

Later,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand