Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..

[wattsup]

@Jack

The car could have hidden batteries even more then a table top set-up. That's what people will think also. Listen, I think this test will prove to us, not the world. The world does not even have to know until it is patented but by then, the motor will be ready.

As for hapiness, you have worked so hard for this, and there are guys here that only want this to work both because they want to see you succeed in this and also because the world needs it and fast. Don't give up now.

@guys @guys @guys

I think you should back up a bit. I had prepared a post at home but forgot to post it before I left this morning. Typical of me. I'll post the other parts when I get home but here is a general rundown.

The question of alternator. Forget it, it will not work. During the last several years I have done tests on all sorts of drives, gears and generator schemes. I know for a fact that Jacks motor will not turn an alternator to produces 12 volts at 60 amps. It is just impossible. The alternator will seize right up before you get to even 10 amps. Also there is a question of minimal RPM requirements, field excitation voltage, mounting of the alternator, alt to motor coupling and alignment problems, and too much more. Plus if you use the belt drive, you just lost 20% right there.

First of all, consider that an alternator is the most inneffecient form of power production possible. We see 12 volts and 60 amps and think hey, 720 watts, that's less than one HP. You won't even be able to get this with 3 horse power. A car alternator does not have to be efficient. It is run in a car that has at least 150 horsepower and all it is doing is topping off the battery. It will never be required to produce 60 amps output, never. And if it did, you will know about it with your higher gas bills. lol

Now consider a small residential gas generator that has a 2hp gas engine, and has to produce 1000 watts. Plus consider that the 1000 watts will be required in a various forms from running drills, compressors, to heavier home demands, etc. Now the generator/gas engines have to be the most effecient possible otherwise it would not be able to produce 1000 watts or it would require a higher hp engine. And that would bring up the price and be very bad for sales. So the yare more efficient.

What you need is a generator with the highest watts production at the lowest rpm possible for Jacks motor to show OU. Anything else will not work. But first you have to have an idea on the torque available versus the rpm. The more torque, the rpm goes down, the more rpm, the torque goes down. But let's say you had 500 rpm. Let's say you wanted to produce 300 watts to show beyond a doubt that you are making OU. Now if you had to choose between a 300 watts-500 rpm generator and a 1000 wattt-500 rpm generator, which one is the best choice. WRONG (assuming you chose the first one. lol) You are better off with the second choice because as soon as that first generator reaches it's maximum production it will also reach it's maximum drag and that's where you will lose. With the second choice, you would be drawing only 300 watts but the generator would not even feel it nor would it create much drag. Generators and alternators are like stubborn donkeys. Move will y'a.

For the input power, use one 120 volts ac line supplying two 110vac-75vac transformers, both outputs rectified then combined. This way all you do is measure voltage and amperage at the main 120 volts  to get the feed watts.

For the output load, I would use a bank of 50 watt bulbs (not 100 watt bulbs) and five 10 watt bulbs so you can get up to the 10 watts precision. If you think of running a 300 watts output, maybe consider going up to 500 watts on the load side meaning nine 50 watt bulbs and five 10 watt bulbs. This way you will be able to better match the load, hence adjust the generator drag according to the nearest maximum torque and rpm available from Jacks motor. Then just measure the voltage and amperage on the load.

The more flexibility you have on the load side, the better match you will have for the drive motor, otherwise I am afraid that you will go to Jacks house and come back with your results as inconslusive, and that would be worst then not doing a test at all.

The only other sticky point is to know in advance the shaft height and diameter of Jacks motor and make sure the generator will not be either to high or too low so get the required spacers in advance and make sure the couplings to match the shafts together are in hand.

That's about it. Too bad I'm in Canada, kinda far, otherwie I would have liked to go also.

[nwman]

@ Jack

Hey Buddy. We all love you man. Steven said it well. I support you and your idea and want to see it happen. You do have to be cautious when posting on a forum like this because we are a bunch of hungry sharks and if you feed us just a little we start to drools and want more... scratch that..... need more. When it come to trusting anyone on this kind of site its really hard because we have all been fooled before and we don't know who anyone is. If we can "talk"  to someone and even meet them it does a long way to establish credibility. I'll take you at your word but I wouldn't expect anyone to blindly fallow anyone. It take baby steps and a little risk on every ones' part.

In regards to believing in video taped tests; its true they can be faked but with a well thought out test and documentation it makes it hard to refute. Like it was mentioned a little bit ago that if you ran the whole test on a plexi table that would help. Also,  keeping everything in one uncut video. If possible disassemble it to show the parts and reassemble it and run the tests all on camera. There are a lot of things that can be done but I wont list them here. In your case I think we can trust your word and all we want to see is
1) Your motor running
2) a Dyno or alternator attached to it and
3) either positive readouts from the dyno or a clear shot of the alternator looped back running the machine without a battery or plug-in in sight.

This is only the first step too. Your right in thinking we may not totally believe you after seeing this because its too good to be true. However this is where you invite us to come in person (at our own expense) and make first hand accounts of it. But really if it works you really have no problems. Really!

Just a question, but why would your car only get 300 miles? Should it not run forever*?

If your "... just about to give up on this motor and move on to something happy in my life" then I would be more then happy to take it over and see it through and pay you the money.

Money is not the issue if I can see it in person closing the loop. I may not personally have unlimited funds but I know how to get it. If a simple alternator test will work then do it and the rest will fall into place in time. I want to see this work probably more then you do. I sometimes don't sleep at nights thinking of things like this.

@Steven,

I would even just love to build the setup you showed in your video. I'm not sure if your keeping it secret but I wouldn't mind seeing a materials list and specifications on just the valve setup? 

One test I have been wanting to run since I saw your video is to suspend your your electromagnet and attach the other core piece to it and turn it on. Then add weights to it and see how much is needed to pull it apart.

Then, take the permanent magnets and cross member piece and run the same test just with the magnets.

After that then set up the complete valve assembly suspended int he air and run the test and see how much it can hold and how it compares to the other tests.

Though this isn't conclusive it would be interesting to see if the valve would hold the exact same amount as the two first test combined. If it was I would lean to conclude it is turning the permanent magnet on and off and not just increasing the efficiency of the electromagnet. Which again would be still an amazing feet from what I know. Just a thought.


Tim

[Nali2001]

@Steven,

I would even just love to build the setup you showed in your video. I'm not sure if your keeping it secret but I wouldn't mind seeing a materials list and specifications on just the valve setup? 

Tim

No problem but I'm not totally sure which video you refer to? The static 'holding force' test? http://www.krystyna.nl/Machine/MagnetExtraPower.wmv
(You need to machine the core so I hope you have a mill)

Let me know.
Steven

[JackH]

Hello Steven and All,

Well I think building a car would get it done.   This would hit the news real hard.  Building a free energy motor will get you know where, nobody will ever beleive it.  Even if 10 scientist saw it they would not beleive it, thay would beleive in there laws.

There is no problem getting a tital for a home built car, I have built severial hot rods in the past.   All you need to do is take them to the Stait hiway corrage an have them safty checkd, if they pass they will wright you a leflet to get a tital with.

A car generator will not work!!!!

I'll build the car.  If nobody wants to help me them thats OK.

I have preached for a year now for someone to come to check this motor and nobody has ever done it.  You know why,,,No no wan beleives me.    I am done with this message board.   I have had nothing but harteack on this message board.

Thanks for everybody that donated,,I have spent it on my health,,,,   BUT DO NOT DONATE ANYMORE.

Goby all,,,,,,,,,,JackH

[utilitarian]

Hello Steven and All,

Well I think building a car would get it done.   This would hit the news real hard.  Building a free energy motor will get you know where, nobody will ever beleive it.  Even if 10 scientist saw it they would not beleive it, thay would beleive in there laws.

There is no problem getting a tital for a home built car, I have built severial hot rods in the past.   All you need to do is take them to the Stait hiway corrage an have them safty checkd, if they pass they will wright you a leflet to get a tital with.

A car generator will not work!!!!

I'll build the car.  If nobody wants to help me them thats OK.

I have preached for a year now for someone to come to check this motor and nobody has ever done it.  You know why,,,No no wan beleives me.    I am done with this message board.   I have had nothing but harteack on this message board.

Thanks for everybody that donated,,I have spent it on my health,,,,   BUT DO NOT DONATE ANYMORE.

Goby all,,,,,,,,,,JackH

Nothing but heartache?  Honk built you more than one controller out of the goodness of his heart.  People have given you money.  People are offering to come over with expensive equipment and test your motor at no charge to you.  I don't get it.