Chas Campbell free power motor

[Humbugger]

One of 3 things will and possibly are happening regarding this Chas fella.


a) ......he's spreading disinformation (paid-by/U.S. secret?) there by smearing mud on all that is possibly "free energy" by way of yet another "perpetual motion" fraud ?


b)......he will be succsessful in giving the World his working "free energy" device ?



c)......he has a working free energy prototype but unfortunately necessarily will be liquidated or just simply paid off $$$......as most are!  (beats a coffin anytime)

What about the other obvious possibility? 

d) He is a kind old well-meaning and good-hearted codger suffering from dementia and extreme self-delusion.  The device is not OU or even close, but he has never actually made any energy measurements.  Only brief anecdotal power demonstrations.  He truly thinks it is producing more energy than it consumes, based on purely wishful thinking and flawed, inaccurate non-measurements and hallucinatory observations. 

Sadly, I would say this is by far the most likely of the possibilities.  I suppose we shall know soon if he allows actual measurements to be made.  Let us hope those making the measurements are not subject to skewed observation syndrome or, even worse, the dreaded "operator impedance".  Ashtweth doesn't exactly sound unbiased, somehow!  He's definitely "a believer", I guess.  Hope springs eternal...

Watching the tape, keep the following in mind...

1) He keeps the little fan and light on (maybe 200W total) for a minute or so during the demonstration, then runs drill and saw for maybe 5 seconds.

2) All of this happens well after the system has been running with no load and the magic flywheel is up to speed.

3) The 800w motor will be able draw far over 800w for a few seconds of heavy loading, no problem.

4) The flywheel(s) could easily store enough energy to cover the startup surges of the drill and saw motors and maybe even their entire 5 second running load times.

If we assume there is nothing hidden or fraudulent and that the total power drawn with fan, light bulb, drill and saw all doing work is greater than 800w, then we could only be legitimately impressed if he ran them continuously for a time well beyond the time constant of the flywheel and we also knew for sure that the 800w motor was drawing less than 800w the whole time.

Nothing about the video indicates the slightest of amazing phenomena.  Nothing in the least bit out of the ordinary or remarkable there at all.  Sorry folks!

[markdansie]

Hi Tinu,
I hope to confirm in person shortly the device I mentioned. There are three variations of it at the moment I know that work. However nothing like seeing it in person. The theory behind it stacks up as it has used an approach not used by others.
The other devices I have seen here and elsewhere rely on on of the following three things and in most cases fail to overcome the sticking point.
1. Electromagnetic nulification
2. mechanical movement (IE shifting a staor mag out of the way)
3. Shielding.
the device I will be inspecting soon does none of the baove and has run for many days before being stopped.
The next big test is to see if the magnets lose any energy under load. Thats the real ball braker.
I will keep you informed.
Mark

[Humbugger]

I am amazed over and over again at the circus of folly here.  The measurement techniques being suggested will assuredly provide incorrect data.  The idea of DC measurement on both ends is bogus because it, of necessity, includes the losses of an inverter on the input side and the losses of a rectifier/capacitor on the output side. 

This leaves room for a bunch more endless hemming and hawing if it fails to show OU...blaming it on these factors.  Also, if the system contains any energy storage device (and all rotating or moving masses store energy) then measuring power in and power out proves nothing unless the respective powers are integrated over time...equal time and the complete running time including start-up from totally static zero-energy off resting state and back to fully run down, discharged, stopped state when test is over.  All the energy from start to finish must be accounted for.

Adding more energy storage devices (input inverter with internal caps and a huge output capacitor) only complicates the measuring process, because residual energy stored in these entities must be accounted for also.

Measuring power is not the same thing as measuring energy!  COP or OU is an energy phenomena, not a power phenomena!  I can get tens of thousands of watts out of a capacitor that I only put milliwatts into...anyone can!  Just charge it up slowly and discharge it suddenly!  The only person who seems to understand this here is Dingus Mungus.

There is only one way to accurately measure electrical energy that I know of.  Also, in a time-sense there really is no such thing as DC.  All electrical voltages and currents vary if you look at them over a long enough period.  Especially when starting up motors and any other load that stores energy!

Here is what scientists who really want to know the answers do:

1)  Make sure there is no known stored energy present in the system to be measured before starting up.  This means no kinetics...masses moving, springs compressed, and no electrical...capacitors charged up, charged batteries, etc.

2)  Using actual multiplying/integrating energy meters (a.k.a. multiplying watthour meters) that multiply instantaneous voltage by instantaneous current with a much higher bandwidth than the system's input and output power frequencies (10x minimum, more is better) and then continuously integrate the ExI product over time, accumulating a true powerxtime integral, measure the total input and output energies.  This is the only method that is scientifically accurate because it includes power factor, crest factor, waveshape, transients, distortions and surges and measures real-time instantaneous actual power integrated over time.

3)  Input and output energy measurement integration periods must be simultaneous and begin before the system is initially energized and end only when the system is turned off and returnes to a fully static, discharged state.

Now, with all of that said, I understand that is probably too rigorous for this forum and its members' resources...at least I'm sure that would be everyone's gut answer to what seem like wildly impractical and expensive suggestions from a skeptical armchair smart-ass know-it-all newbie.  Well, it's true I suppose.

However, if I were to add up the value of the man-hours spent on arguing about how best to measure energy COP of a given electrical system, then add in the man-hours spent making and reporting bogus measurements and, worst of all, the man-hours spent by replicators chasing non-existent goals based on bad measurement of the original work, the cost of a truly accurate electrical energy measurement setup would pale in comparison.  Even if the man-hours were counted at $2 per hour!

Sometimes it really seems to me that much more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff.  It seems like, deep inside, even those of you who are the most true believers must have secret fearful doubts that you'd rather not confront, based on the number of ways people here come up with insane delaying tactics, doomed measurement techniques and the philosophy that building and replicating things (always from incomplete information) is the only way to get the first idea whether they will work or not.  It almost seems like people know the whole perpetual motion field is a fraud, but will do anything to prolong even the most unreasonable of hopes.  It's all so much fun!

[sevich]

more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff. 

How can you talk of seperation of wheat & chaff when you yourself have no wheat to offer this forum other than your negative chaff (charm)   

[Humbugger]

more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff. 

How can you talk of seperation of wheat & chaff when you yourself have no wheat to offer this forum other than your negative chaff (charm)   

Like I said...most of you seem to want to find more and more desperate ways to justify your apparent belief that every sincere-sounding claim is pure wheat, no matter the enormous and ever-growing evidence to the contrary that surrounds you.  Go figure!

The blowing away and burning off of the chaff, in all fields of true knowledge, especially science and technology, is the largest contribution to revealing and accessing the wheat!

Isn't the whole purpose of the forum to share knowledge and hopefully figure out some way to build working machines people can get and use for their daily energy needs?  Do you really think the only way to figure out if things will work or not is to build them?  Don't you see that every single one of the thousands of ideas that have been built have not yielded any actual useful energy or replaced one btu of energy from conventional sources? 

In all of recorded history, has that been done even once?  Not that I know of...if you know where I can get one, please tell me.  I'm tired of paying for energy.  The process of elimination, when evolved beyond simply trying everything, is called learning from history and not repeating the same futile mistakes over and over again forever. 

All I'm trying to point out is that these failed approaches, by the thousands, seem to have a lot in common that we might actually learn from.  The hope being that one day we might be able to recognize a bogus idea we have eliminated before and not waste time building and testing and speculating about the same Rube Goldberg contraptions over and over, just because it is thinly disguised as a new idea. 

In science and technologies, we use analogies with abstraction, math and critical thinking to observe and study ideas so that we can decide which ideas are worthy of further experiment and work.  The most valuable asset in the game is being able to quickly recognize the deja vu on a thinly-veiled bad idea and toss it out.  I see very little of that going on here. 

It's all ga ga gung ho believers with zero evidence of anything to believe in and who seem not to have developed or come to value any critical analysis skills.  It's as if thinking about or expressing reasons why something won't work was taboo here!  Even if that something has been shown not to work a dozen or a thousand times before!  It's the precise opposite of developing a knowledge base!  Cannot you people learn to develop any critical thinking skills?  Must you only worship blind physical efforts to build hardware and yet curse all efforts to test ideas by thinking and abstractly comparing and applying well-known simple principals?  It appears not.