Successful TPU-ECD replication !

[Jeff B]

Welcome all.
Be gentle with me, this is my first time... err, I mean Post.

I've been quite interested in this subject, and just discovered your thread.
With 78 pages & over 1100 replies (from June until present), I must confess that I haven't gone through every page - So bear with me if I ask questions already answered previously.

Yes, I've seen the SM videos etc - Rubbish quality !  Does anyone have a (good quality) pic of any of his devices, so as to be able to see any detailed device construction?

I am an electronics Tech - My background is Radio, Radar, Microwave etc (Military) from the Naval Dockyard in NZ.
Not knowing what technical level each person is, I'll try to be understandable to all levels, so the techs might have to hang in there if I write stuff they already know.

When I first saw a construction layout, (circa - beginning of this thread), I was surprised to see what appeared to be an Open Ended loop, with 3 (sub) coils on it - usually at 0, 120, & 240 degrees.
These first thoughts were probably misleading, as it's not actually Open-Ended at all.
But one thing I am now wondering about is the 120 degree spacing of the sub coils, to pick off the power.
I think I have also heard some people mention that they get something coming from the "Zero" rather than the node, and were surprised at this.

I think you will find that this is because the behavior you are experiencing is due to SWR - Standing Wave Ratio.
(SWR for those that don't know is an AC only situation. ie: Has no relevance to DC).
It's the taught rope scenario: One end attached to the wall, the other in your hand. Introduce a wave in the rope, and it will bounce back to you from the wall.
When you get the wave in the rope in 'resonance', it's like certain points of the rope are stationary, with the sections in between going up & down in perfect unison, rather than random waves traveling back & fourth.
This is much the same electrically.

Next important point regarding this, is that in a (perfect world) setup, ZERO power is consumed at the Maximum & zero voltage points.
EG: At the SWR Maximum voltage point, it has reached maximum voltage due to no load (in its perfect setup), equating to (acting like) an Open Circuit.
So: Maximum voltage but infinite resistance = no current, therefore no power.
When at its (SWR) Zero voltage point, its acting like a Short-circuit: Maximum current but no voltage, so Zero volts x current = zero power.
But - In your circuits though, maximum current = magnetic field, which you can probably 'tap' into, and collect some usable power.

How many people have tried calculating & designing a perfect resonant setup of the (mobius) coil ?
I saw someone mentioned theirs tuned for 180kHz (?)
I'm wondering if the lack of significant success of many designs is the lack of this resonant tuning for the frequencies being used.
Also, as in radio designs, poor or unclear understanding of the complexities/complications of producing a good resonant setup (often more due to physical rather than electrical considerations), can lead to cross-couplings, interferences, cancellations etc, which can completely destroy its worth.

I was also very interested in the first post of this thread (Successful replication...) where they mentioned what they described as a Shock-wave coming from it when they first turned it on. Would you describe this as an (inaudible) audio frequency wave (such as an ultrasonic wave, which you certainly can feel but not hear [when loud enough]), or perhaps some form of an electro-gravitational wave ??

How does this sit so far ?
I'm completely open to any & all discussion/criticism on this.
I realise there are some things in this caboodle which step Outside normal electrical theories, while some (observed phenomenon) will easily fall within them.

Thanks for listening, Hope you haven't chewed your leg off from boredom...
Jeff.

PS: Sorry, but I'm also another one of "Those" Apple Mac fanatics.  Death to Microsoft !       *grin*

[MarkSnoswell]

@Mark

YES I'm speaking of my standard test-ECD with 3 Control Coils standard connected and incorporating the last improvements. I disconnect only the other 2 Mosfet mini-board switches and connected the remain switch to an OR of 3 generators.  To summarize ONLY one Mosfet switch + OR circuitry.

It happened an interesting thing:

- if I put the output OR polarity in such a way that the waveform most of time was at Zero level, I'd almost no power consumption (only few milliamps @ 12V), regular (?) waveforms on Drain, but NO power output on lamp for any (?) input mix of the 3 freqs.

-if I put the output OR polarity in such a way that the waveform most of time was at 1 level, I'd about 40W on load-lamp: no OU but an interesting power ...anyway less than that obtainable with the 3 separated switches all connected ( about 70 -80 W on lamp).

If you want I'm able to quickly re-build that situation and document it appropriately.

Roberto

@roberto,
      Excelent.  Yes. I would like you to repeat this and some other simple tests for me:

I want to know what happens if you drive all three mosfet switches with the single OR'd signal. Is this any different than driving into a single mosfet switch with the other two disabled?

I would also like it if you coild do one other test ... in the normal configuration where you drive the three mosfet switches seperatly. Can you build one additional switch and put it on the 12V supply side -- you then drive this with the complimentary NOR'd (or is it OR'd ?) signal from the three mosfet switches. By doing this you will get exactly the same potential profile applied to the coils but you will have elimenated almost all of the current required -- with just a small current pulse on switching.

thanks.

Mark.

[ronotte]

@Mark,

well but I forgot to tell you another important variable: THE WAY HOW THE CONTROL COILS ARE CONNECTED.
As all is related to the way YOU choose doing your tests.

To summarize:

1 - you can connect all the windings exactly as per my pdf TPU=ECD. In this case you have to pay attention as all the primaries  & secondaries are connected in let's say  a parallel way: this means that unless you do know exactly the freqs to apply you are going to drain lot of Amps from your PS or Battery and eventually blow-up your MOSFETs!!
2 - you can connect all the primaries in series (leaving the secondaries in parallel): that's just better from the point of view of your safety and easy of tests as it allows more freq errors....
3 - you can connect both primaries & secondaries in series: that's the best strategy to use when you begin your tests as of course it tolerates more freqs errors.....don't tamper too much your PS or Battery.In this case the current sink when out of tune, is a max of 4 - 5 A @ 12V.

It's necessary anyway to say that the different setups behave a little differently........so when I told you about my tests with ORed signal I referred obviously to point 3 ... necessary to make use of only 1 switch. So to do your test I will reset all connections as per point 1 but leaving the secondaries in series as this connection deliver more voltage to mobius ring.

I'll report on this as I've my last ECD evolution on bench.

Roberto

[John M]

Hi Otto and Roberto

I read your document and appreciate all your hard work. I tried one of your earlier experiments using 50 turns of wire with a wire running through the center connected to a 120 volt bulb. With straight DC (20 volts), the bulb glowed very dim. When I pulsed the coil using a MOSFET it glowed considerably brighter maybe by a factor of three.

The duty cycle of the pulse was less then 50% which would relate to less then 1/2 the power used for straight DC, I did have the wire running outside as well as inside the coil but did not see any difference. I varied the frequency and watch the inductive spike from the coil but it had no direct correlation with the brightness of the bulb. Possibly the width of the spike changed with the frequency.

What I don't understand is that it worked. Some people would say that we are only perceiving the maximum brightness when pulsed, but the bulb seems to display only the average power through it. At 1.5mhz pulsing, I don't think that is the explanation.
The power supply input does remain stable.

Are you going to update what you have learned with a new document? Do you now think that making the TPU to output let say 100 watts, is not too hard but controlling it is?

John

[John M]

Hi Otto,

Are you going to update what you have learned with a new document? Do you now think that making the TPU to output let say 100 watts, is not too hard but controlling it is?

John